What if the UFO phenomenon isn’t benevolent at all — but something far darker?

In this Close Encounter Club bonus episode, host Justin Gearheart sits down with Matt Hurley, founder of BadAliens.info, one of the most controversial and unflinching resources on UFO research. Matt’s work focuses on the disturbing side of the phenomenon: abductions, cattle mutilations, missing persons, and even cases of human mutilation that echo the same patterns.

Joined by Josh Barretto (from EP 4), this conversation pushes into territory many ufologists avoid. From the unsettling overlap between paranormal “hitchhiker” effects and abduction cases, to the possibility of cryptids as holographic projections, Matt argues that UFOs are not purely interdimensional mysteries — they are physical beings competing for Earth’s resources.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

Why Matt shifted from ancient aliens research to investigating darker encounters.

⚠️ Listener discretion is strongly advised — both in this episode and on Matt’s website — as graphic cases are discussed that may be disturbing.

This is not the “love and light” version of UFOs. This is the shadow side — and once you hear it, you can’t unhear it.

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