What does it look like to lead with integrity — in the pulpit and at the dinner table?

In this vulnerable and hopeful episode, Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle reflect on the real tensions of being both ministry leaders and family members. Through laughter, honest stories, and hard-earned wisdom, they explore what it means to integrate your calling with your core identity. Together, they explore what it means to be fully human, to show up with honesty, and to lead from a place of wholeness.

Whether you're a parent, pastor, or both, this conversation is a gentle invitation to integrate your faith, your work, and your relationships with grace.

In this episode, Chase and Tanner discuss:

• Why leading with integrity starts with knowing yourself

• How open family dialogue builds emotional resilience

• Practices to stay present with your loved ones under pressure

Show notes:

• Proverbs 22:6

• "Growing Yourself Up" by Jenny Brown

• "Everything Isn't Terrible" by Kathleen Smith

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