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In this engaging conversation, Dr. C. Richard Spates shares his journey as the first Black behavior analyst and clinical psychologist, discussing the evolution of behavior analysis, the impact of social justice movements on the field, and the complexities of trauma treatment. He critiques the rise of treatment packages in psychology, particularly EMDR, and introduces the concept of moral injury, emphasizing its significance in understanding trauma and mental health. This conversation delves into the complexities of moral injury, particularly concerning PTSD, and explores the various factors that contribute to moral injury, including cultural contexts, parenting styles, and the experiences of individuals in different professions. The discussion highlights the need for a broader understanding of moral injury beyond military contexts, addressing its implications in healthcare, education, and societal structures. The conversation also touches on the potential for developing targeted interventions and the importance of recognizing the experiences of both victims and perpetrators in the discourse surrounding moral injury.
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BACB: 2.0 Learning
Contact Dr. Spates
The Moral Injury Spectrum
https://moralinjuryspectrum.com/
Dr. Spates on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-richard-spates-4328b2239/
Links:
Dr. Nasiah Cirincione-Ulezi Interviews Dr. Spates on Evolving ABA
https://abatechnologies.com/operant-innovations-podcast/2022-08-31/evolving-aba-001-dr-richard-spates
https://abatechnologies.com/operant-innovations-podcast/2024-07-23/evolving-aba-moral-injury-with-dr-richard-spates
Behaviour Speak Podcast Interview with Dr. Nasiah
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-67-humilty-compassion-and-reflection-with-dr-nasiah-cirincione-ulezi-and-drjonathan-tarbox/
Black Applied Behavior Analysis Organization
https://babainfo.org/
The Power of Us
https://www.powerofus.online/
In this conversation, Dr. Erika McDowell discusses the challenges and opportunities within the education system, focusing on school enrollment, the importance of capital in education, and the role of micro-schools and Montessori education. She emphasizes the need for liberatory schools that prioritize freedom and inclusivity, while also addressing the intersection of PBIS and Montessori practices. Dr. McDowell highlights the resilience of educators and the importance of community engagement in navigating political changes affecting education.
Watch the video here!
https://youtu.be/7y3i08Z9A7I
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Dr. McDowell
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-erika-mcdowell-85499013/
Wildflower Schools
https://www.wildflowerschools.org/
Black Wildflowers Fund
https://www.blackwildflowers.org/
Inspired Minds Collide
https://www.inspiredmindscollide.com/
Links:
Territories on which Erika Resides
https://www.lenape-nation.org/
Rosa Parks School of Fine and Performing Arts
https://www.paterson.k12.nj.us/Page/296
Howard University
https://howard.edu/
Dr. Deja L. Jones
https://www.dejaljones.com
Sep Kamvar - Ted Talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbB5na0g_6M
Teal Organizations
https://www.iberdrola.com/talent/teal-organisations
Kamontá Heidelburg
https://ehe.osu.edu/educational-studies/directory?id=heidelburg.3
MACTE Accreditation
https://www.macte.org/
American Montessori Internationale
https://montessori-ami.org/
Dr. Ayize Sabater
https://www.morgan.edu/psychology/center-for-predictive-analytics/staff/ayize-sabater
APBS
https://apbs.org/
Dianna Yip Director of P.L.A.I. Behaviour Consulting & CEO of PBSA.Asia
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianna-yip-plai/?originalSubdomain=hk
Behaviour Speak Episodes to Check Out
Episode 195 APBS Executive Director Cheretta Clerkley
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-195-the-association-for-positive-behavior-support-with-executive-director-cheretta-clerkley/
Episode 114 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-114-equity-belonging-and-inclusion-with-drnikole-hollins-sims/
In this conversation, Cheretta Clerkley discusses the future of the Association for Positive Behavior Support (APBS), emphasizing the need for the organization to evolve and offer more value to its members. She outlines innovative changes, including new educational opportunities, partnerships, and a focus on inclusivity. The new APBS Executive Director also highlights the importance of international connections and the upcoming conference, which aims to diversify its content and presenters. The conversation concludes with a look at the Journal of Positive Behavioral Interventions and its role in supporting the organization's mission.
Check out APBS: https://apbs.org/
Contact:
Cheretta Clerkley
https://www.linkedin.com/in/clerkley/
In episode 194, Ben Reiman interviews Issac Morgan and Wesley Guy, two Registered Behavior Technicians (RBTs) in the field of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA). They share their journeys into the field, discussing their experiences and the challenges they faced, particularly regarding training and identity. The conversation highlights the importance of mentorship, the need for diversity in the field, and the aspirations of these professionals to bridge gaps between different educational settings. They also emphasize the rewarding nature of their work and encourage others, especially young Black men, to consider a career in ABA.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.0 Ethics
Contact Wesley Guy:
https://www.shiftperspectivesbehaviorconsulting.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesley-guy-252052255/
https://www.instagram.com/est_93wesguy/
https://www.instagram.com/shiftingperspectives_bc/
Contact Issac Morgan:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/issac-morgan-90143b131/
Links:
Black Men in Behavior Analysis
https://bmbanetwork.org/
Black Applied Behavior Analysts
https://babainfo.org/
Gereen Francis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gereen-r-francis/
https://www.tangerinebehavioral.com/
The International Behavior Analysis Organization
https://www.theibao.com/
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Mentioned:
Episode 180 The ABA Roundtable: Centering Registered Behavior Technicians
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-180-the-aba-roundtable-centering-registered-behavior-technicians/
The Road to Black Con 2024 Mini Episode 4 The RBT Experience
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-159-the-road-to-black-con-series-mini-episode-4-the-rbt-experience/
Episode 79 Black Men in Behavior Analysis with Jeron Trotman
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-159-the-road-to-black-con-series-mini-episode-4-the-rbt-experience/
In this conversation, Dr. Amber Sessoms discusses the complexities of identity and community within the Black experience, particularly in predominantly white spaces. She emphasizes the importance of resilience, the need for intentional conversations at home, and the role of education in challenging harmful narratives. Dr. Sessoms also explores the significance of ancestry and historical trauma, advocating for healing and reclamation of one's heritage. She highlights the power of love and humanity in fostering connections and the importance of applying knowledge in practical ways to create a more inclusive society.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Dr. Sessoms:
https://www.aninclination.com/about
https://www.instagram.com/natural_inclination/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aninclination/
Links:
Highlander Adult Education Center
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/highlander-folk-school
Teaching To Transgress by Bell Hooks
https://www.routledge.com/Teaching-to-Transgress-Education-as-the-Practice-of-Freedom/hooks/p/book/9780415908085
All About Love by Bell Hooks
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/All_About_Love/A5ZDDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
Uncle Bobbie’s Books - Philadelphia
https://www.unclebobbies.com/
Starting with a love of Organic Chemistry
Dr. Bettina Love
https://bettinalove.com/
Eddie Glaude
Robin Redman Wright
Dr. Dena Simmons
My Grandmother’s Hands - Resmaa Menakem
The 1619 Project
Research Articles Discussed:
Sessoms, A. M. (2023). The work of bearing witness to the dual pandemics of COVID-19 and white rage. New Directions for Adult and Continuing Education, 2023, 91–104. https://doi.org/10.1002/ace.20489
Love, B. L. (2016). Anti-Black state violence, classroom edition: The spirit murdering of Black children. Journal of Curriculum and Pedagogy, 13(1), 22–25. https://doi.org/10.1080/15505170.2016.1138258
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Mentioned:
Episode 114: Equity, Belonging and Inclusion with Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims
Episode 75 Cultivating Black Excellence and Intelligence in School Psychology with Dr. Celeste Malone
Episode 67 Humility, Compassion, and Reflection with Dr. Nasiah Cirincione Ulezi and Dr. Jonathan Tarbox
This conversation explores the contributions of three authors of the paper: Behavior Analysis in Venezuela: An Unrecognized Legacy published in the journal, Behavior Analysis in Practice, and outlines their journeys from Venezuela to the U.S., and the socio-political context that shaped their experiences. The speakers discuss the rich history of behavior analysis in Venezuela, the unique Latin American model of education, and the significant role women played in establishing and sustaining behavior analysis programs. They reflect on the importance of community, identity, and tribute in academia, as well as the challenges and adaptations faced in their professional journeys. The conversation concludes with a hopeful outlook on the future of behavior analysis in Venezuela and the importance of recognizing and sharing research contributions from the region
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Mirari Elcoro:
https://www.framingham.edu/our-people/mirari-elcoro-phd
Contact Amalix Flores:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/amalix-flores-069581188/
Contact Corina Jimenez-Gomez:
https://tabslab.psych.ufl.edu/corina-jimenez-gomez/
Research Articles Discussed:
Elcoro, M., Flores, A., Jimenez-Gomez, C., Angelucci, L., Burgos, J. E., Contreras, E., ... & Yáber, G. (2024). Behavior Analysis in Venezuela: An Unrecognized Legacy. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 1-12.
Ardila, R. (1982). Psychology in Latin America today. Annual Review of Psychology, 33, 103–122. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev.ps.33.020182.000535
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Mentioned:
Episode 172: ¿Quiénes somos? An Exploration of Latinidad
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-172-quienes-somos-an-exploration-of-latinidad/
Episode 186 Culturo Behavior Science : A Primer With Dr. Traci Cihon, Dr.
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-186-culturo-behavior-science-a-primer-with-dr-traci-cihon-dr-kyosuke-kazaoka-and-dr-albert-malkin/
Episode 96: Behavior Analysis in Mexico with Mariana del los Santos, M.S., BCBA, Varsovia Hernández Eslava Ph.D., BCBA, and Janet Enriquez, M.S., BCBA
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-96-behavior-analysis-in-mexico-with-mariana-del-los-santos-ms-bcba-varsovia-hernandez-eslava-phd-bcba-and-janet-enriquez-ms-bcba/
Episode 68: Racism, Feminism, and Behaviour Analysis in Brazil with Dr. Táhcita Medrado Mizael, Ph.D.
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-68-racism-feminism-in-brazil-with-drs-tahcita-medrado-mizael/
Behavior Analysis in The Middle East
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/category/arabmena-voices
Behavior Analysis in Eastern Europe
Belarus
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/behaviouranalysis-in-belaruswith-hannakalinouskaya-bcba-iba/
Ukraine
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-184-behavior-analysis-in-ukraine-with-alla-moskalets/
Behavior Analysis in Africa
Nigeria
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-120-culturally-responsive-screening-tools-for-autism-andor-intellectual-disabilities-in-nigeria-with-dr-eziafakaku-nwokolo/
Ghana and Nigeria
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-91-behaviour-analysis-in-ghana-and-nigeria-with-josephine-akure-and-joy-oviojie/
Senegal
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-9-behaviour-analysis-in-senegal-with-adair-cardon-ms-bcba/
Botswana
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-5-bringing-behaviour-analysis-to-africa-a-culturally-diverse-journey-around-the-world-with-maleshwane-mauco-msc-bcba/
Behavior Analysis in Asia
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/category/asian-and-pacfic-islander-voices
In this conversation, Ben Reiman interviews Hanna Kalinouskaya, a behavior analyst from Belarus, who shares her journey from being a musician to becoming the first BCBA in her country. She discusses the political situation in Belarus, the challenges faced by families with children with autism, and the evolution of autism services in the region. Hanna also talks about her experiences during the war, her efforts to create a behavior analysis course, and her aspirations for the future of behavior analysis in Belarus and beyond.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.0 Ethics
Contact Hanna:
https://kalinouskaya.com/
https://www.instagram.com/kalinovskaya.aba/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/Анна-Калиновская-234bbb1a4/
Links:
International Behavior Analysis Organization
https://www.theibao.com/
Episodes Referenced:
Episode 184 Behavior Analysis in Ukraine with Alla Moskalets
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-184-behavior-analysis-in-ukraine-with-alla-moskalets/
Episode 180 The International Behavior Analysis Organization wit Dr. Michael Mueller
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-80-the-international-behavior-analyst-organization-an-interview-with-ibao-co-founder-and-executive-director-dr-michael-mueller-bcba-d-iba/
In Episode 190, Leslie Peters shares her story as a Métis individual, exploring her family history, cultural identity, and the impact of colonization. Leslie discusses her professional role in student support services in the Yukon, her experiences growing up in a mixed heritage family, and the importance of understanding and embracing Métis culture. The conversation delves into the complexities of identity, the historical context of the fur trade, and the significance of cultural practices in parenting. Peters also reflects on the interplay between science and Indigenous knowledge, emphasizing the healing potential of recognizing the shared experiences of both colonizers and the colonized. The discussion transitions into the intersection of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) and Indigenous approaches, emphasizing the need for culturally responsive and trauma-informed practices. Leslie shares her journey into the field of ABA, highlighting the challenges and misconceptions she faced, and how she aims to integrate Indigenous perspectives into her work.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Leslie:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslie-peters-5b011b44/
Email:
Links:
Moose Factory Metis
https://www.ontariometisfacts.com/post/major-metis-presence-moose-factory
https://www.ontariometisfacts.com/post/the-turners-a-metis-family
Metis Nation of Ontario
https://www.metisnation.org/
Autism Yukon
https://autismyukon.org/
Neurosequential Model
https://www.neurosequential.com/
Dr. Richard Stock
https://www.capilanou.ca/programs--courses/search--select/explore-our-areas-of-study/faculty-profiles/richard-stock/
Articles Discussed:
Penney, A.M., Bateman, K.J., Veverka, Y. et al. Compassion: The Eighth Dimension of Applied Behavior Analysis. Behav Analysis Practice (2023). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-023-00888-9
Wolf M. M. (1978). Social validity: the case for subjective measurement or how applied behavior analysis is finding its heart. Journal of applied behavior analysis, 11(2), 203–214. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1978.11-203
Beaulieu, L., Kwak, D., Jimenez-Gomez, C., & Morgan, G. (2024). Implementing culturally responsive and trauma-informed practices with checklists and goal setting. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 57(4), 821–839. https://doi.org/10.1002/jaba.1095
Stack, A., & Lucyshyn, J. (2019). Autism Spectrum Disorder and the Experience of Traumatic Events: Review of the Current Literature to Inform Modifications to a Treatment Model for Children with Autism. Journal of autism and developmental disorders, 49(4), 1613–1625. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-018-3854-9
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Mentioned:
Episode 162 Michael Yellow Bird
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-162-the-decolonization-equation-with-dr-michael-yellow-bird/
Episode 148 Deb Fernando
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-148-behaviour-analysis-in-first-nation-communities-of-australia/
Episode 147 Jaxcy Turietta
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-147-the-chickasaw-behavior-analyst-with-dr-jaxcy-odom/
Episode 130 Jordyn Burleson
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-130-the-tonowanda-seneca-behavior-technician-with-jordyn-burleson-rbt/
Episode 117
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-117-the-lakota-bcba-with-valerie-clack-ma-bcbalba/
Episode 106 Mari Cerda
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-106-ancient-wisdom-meets-modern-insights-dr-mari-cerda-s-journey-as-an-indigenous-mestiza-autistic-behavior-analyst/
Episode 64 Naomi Tachera
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-64-culture-based-education-with-naomi-k-tachera-ma-bcba-lba/
Episode 11 Louis Busch
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-11-the-treatment-of-life-threatening-pica-with-louis-busch-bst-abs-hc-med-bcba/
Episode 2 Alexia Stack
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-2-trauma-informed-supports-for-autism/
In this conversation, Morénike Giwa Onaiwu shares her journey as an Autistic individual and advocate for disability justice. She discusses her background, the challenges she faced growing up, and her experiences with mental health. Morénike emphasizes the importance of intersectionality in understanding the diverse experiences of individuals with disabilities. The conversation also delves into the ongoing debate surrounding Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) therapy, highlighting personal experiences and the need for more inclusive and holistic approaches to support neurodivergent individuals. Morénike's work with the Federal Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee and her initiative, Advocacy Without Borders, showcases her commitment to amplifying the voices of marginalized communities and improving access to resources and support.
Contact:
Autistic Women & Nonbinary Network
https://awnnetwork.org/directory/morenike-giwa-onaiwu/
Advocacy Without Bordersd
https://advocacywithoutborders.org/morenikego/
Links:
Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee
https://iacc.hhs.gov/
Project with Northwestern University
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/12/study-investigates-best-early-intervention-method/
Behaviour Speak Podcast Epiosdes Referenced
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-171-empowering-black-voices-in-autism-research/
Camile Proctor Episode 187
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/epiosde-187-culturally-grounded-autism-training-for-black-parents-with-camille-proctor/
In this conversation, Ben Reiman and Dr. Pauline Tolentino Pablo discuss the importance of Filipino identity, language diversity, current issues in the Philippines, and the resilience of Filipino culture in the face of generational trauma. She discusses the impact of her upbringing in the Philippines, the challenges she faced in the education system, and how these experiences shaped her understanding of mental health. The conversation also covers Pauline's immigration story from the Philippines to the U.S., family dynamics, and the role of Filipinos in nursing and caregiving. Pauline also highlights the significance of community and representation in the field of behavioral health, particularly through the formation of APIABA, which aims to support Asian and Pacific Islander behavior analysts. The discussion emphasizes the need for holistic approaches in healthcare and the importance of cultural connections in providing effective support.
Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop)
BACB: 1.5 Ethics
Contact Dr. Pablo:
Symphony Behavioral Health
https://www.symphonybh.com/
Dr. Pablo on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/integratedbx/
Links:
Asian & Pacific Islander Association for Behavior Analysis
https://www.instagram.com/api.behavioranalysis/
Fernandeño Tataviam Band of Mission Indians
Behaviour Speak Podcast Episodes Referenced:
Episode 109 with Dr. Valeria Parejo
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-109-behaviour-analysis-in-brasil-with-valeria-parejo/
Asian and Pacfiic Islanders
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/category/asian-and-pacfic-islander-voices
Episode 64 with Naomi Tachera
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-64-culture-based-education-with-naomi-k-tachera-ma-bcba-lba/
Episode 148 Deb Fernando
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-148-behaviour-analysis-in-first-nation-communities-of-australia/
Episode 162 Michael Yellow Bird
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-162-the-decolonization-equation-with-dr-michael-yellow-bird/
Episode 17 with Dr. Rebecca Sharp
https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-17-behavioural-gerontology-with-dr-rebecca-sharp-phd-bcba-d/
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Welcome to Behaviour Speak, where we celebrate the diversity of human behaviour and explore the many factors that shape who we are.

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