In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Johanna Weaver, Special Adviser to Australia’s Ambassador for Cyber Affairs, Australia’s independent expert to the UN's GGE on Responsible State Behavior in Cyberspace; and Head of the Australian Delegation to UN's OEWG on ICT Security. They discuss the challenges Covid presented to negotiations, the importance of raising awareness on the UN framework, and the impact of women in cyber.