Elizabeth Ho is an actor who you might have seen on the Netflix stoner sitcom Disjointed featuring an up-and-coming star called *checks notes* Kathy Bates. She's also a postpartum doula, which has given her a close-up view of motherhood, and the mom role that Hollywood may soon expect her to play. Elizabeth knows "bone deep" that she doesn't want kids, and she's content to support her community, her parent friends, and she's happy being the weird other part of the family, the most authentic expression of herself.

In this episode, Elizabeth brought up my previous conversations with 78 year-old childfree trailblazer Marcia Drut-Davis and environmentalist Marie Fisher, from whom I learned that "mother is a verb". And I mention the United Nations Population Fund's report on bodily autonomy, which you can find here.

Follow Elizabeth at @realelizabethho on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
And check our her adorbs Shih Tzus, Cooper and Coco on Instagram @hanginwithmrcoops

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