We're celebrating our 100th episode of the podcast by turning the mic over to you, to hear your journeys, the insights that helped you most, and the episodes that left a lasting impression.

(0:07) Celebrating 100 episodes of The Kids or Childfree Podcast; (7:18) Monica, 34, from Illinois, USA; (12:21) Jara, 36, from Spain; (16:54) Kristin, 42, from Georgia, USA; (18:20) Kristen from Ontario, Canada; (24:32) Taylor, 33, from New York, USA; (29:39) Emma, 38, from Colorado, USA; (36:39) Paige, 36, from California, USA; (41:14) Kate, 36, from Ohio, USA

Mentioned in the episode: These are the resources and podcast episodes shared by our guest listeners: Kristin: The Baby Decision by Merle Bombardieri Episode 29 with Merle Bombardieri Kristen: Episode 62 and Episode 86 and with Anne Wennhold Episode 29 with Merle Bombardieri Episode 79 with Carrie Hauskens Episode 28 with Alice Greczyn Episode 30 with Nicole Louie Episode 26 with Katy Seppi Taylor: Check out the DINK Social app Episode 8 with Maria Coffey Episode 10 with Ruby Warrington Episode 62 and Episode 86 and with Anne Wennhold Episode 83 with Helen Taylor Episode 16 with Jane van Dis, MD Episode 21 with Julie McFadden (a.k.a. Hospice Nurse Julie) Episode 24 and Episode 95 with Dr. Jay Zigmont Episode 42 with Astrid Hurault de Ligny Emma: Private coaching with Keltie Confidently Childfree Support Series Episode 83 with Helen Taylor Episode 91 with Marcia Drut-Davis Episode 8 with Maria Coffey Episode 23 with Amanda E. White Episode 24 and Episode 95 with Dr. Jay Zigmont Paige: Kids or Childfree Group Program Kate: Kids or Childfree Group Workshop __

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In this conversation, producer, sound designer, and creator of CBC Personally's Creation Myth podcast, Helena De Groot, shares her deeply personal journey of deciding to remain childfree. Hear Keltie & Helena discuss:

• The complex emotions and societal expectations surrounding the decision to have kids or remain childfree.
• Why the possibility of personal growth was one of the biggest factors pulling Helena toward the motherhood path.
• What she wishes she handled differently when discussing her desire to be childfree with her ex-husband.
• The conversation that finally helped solidify her childfree choice.
• How she grappled with the topic of meaning and her place in this world, without kids.

(1:03) Meet Helena, her podcast, and her Kids or Childfree decision

(28:30) Conversations with friends about the Kids or Childfree decision

(37:32) Helena and her first husband's differing opinions about having kids

(48:13) Convenience and connection, the danger of the term "childfree"

(58:22) The advice that helped Helena find clarity

(1:10:33) Meaning and purpose without kids

Mentioned in this episode: Finding Helena online at www.helenadegroot.me Tune into the Creation Myth podcast on CBC Personally: https://app.magellan.ai/listen_links/zkujNM

Her Instagram is @helenavelikaja Discover Helena's other work:

Poetry Off the Shelf: Every two weeks, Helena interviews a poet about their life and work.

• In Touch the Moon, is an interview with a highly original man who wrote a book about William Blake.
• In Pen Pals, a poet friend and her spent a summer exchanging voice messages, about aging and the death of his parents.
• In Glow in the Dark, she talked to a poet with ALS, 20 days before she died, then interviewed her best friend and her husband.

🔗 Join our upcoming Kids or Childfree Group Program: https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-program About Helena: Helena de Groot is a producer and sound designer on many critically acclaimed, prize-winning podcasts and audiobooks, such as the New Yorker favorite Paris Review Podcast and New York Times selected Wild and Precious: An Ode to Mary Oliver, she also talks to writers and artists for the Poetry Foundation podcast Poetry Off the Shelf. Her latest show, Creation Myth, is an audio memoir and Tribeca Official Selection for CBC Personally where she asks the mother of all questions: do I want to have kids? __

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In this episode, Keltie speaks with mom-to-one and former fence-sitter, Jordy Snyder, about her personal journey through indecision to her choice to become a mom. Hear them discuss:

• The key fears that kept Jordy stuck, and how she overcame them
• Why learning to trust herself and her inner resilience was such an important part of her journey
• How small steps toward motherhood allowed Jordy to develop greater comfort with the idea of having a child
• The importance of open and supportive communication with her partner as she navigated her uncertainty
• The joy Jordy has found in motherhood, and how she's grown since becoming a parent

Mentioned in this episode: Find Jordy on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/jordannasnyder/

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About Jordy: Jordy has a Masters in Public Health, and works in maternal and child health to ensure there is an adequate and trained workforce to serve all kids, moms, and families. She lives in Washington DC, surrounded by an amazing partner, group of friends, and adorable toddler. __

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This week we're hosting our first-ever "guest podcast" episode featuring our recent conversation on Monica Cardenas' The Bad Mothers Podcast. Join Monica and I for a discussion about being a childfree dog mom. How does having a dog — and especially a puppy — help us frame our ideas about motherhood? As mentioned in the show: Get a ticket to join our upcoming "Pet Reflections" Kids or Childfree Support Session on March 18th: https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-support-series Find Monica on Instagram: @monica_is_reading/ Tune in for the rest of The Bad Mothers Podcast and read Monica's Substack: https://monicacardenas.substack.com/podcast __

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[re-release] We're re-releasing this episode from August 2024 in promotion of an upcoming event! On March 26, 2026, join me and special guest Nicole Louie for the Childfree Book Club! We'll discuss her book, Others Like Me as part of the Confidently Childfree Support Series.

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In this conversation (which first aired in August 2024), Keltie interviews Nicole Louie: writer, translator, and author of the brand-new book, Others Like Me: The Lives of Women Without Children. You'll hear them discuss:

• Nicole's experience of not wanting to become a mother from a young age and the challenges she faced in navigating societal expectations.
• The importance of turning up the volume on one's own voice and inner knowledge when making the decision to be childfree.
• The inspiration behind Others Like Me, and how it's fourteen stories highlight the diversity of experiences and perspectives within the childfree community.
• The complexities of the decision to have children or remain childfree.
• The need for inclusivity and understanding among women without children, and the dangers of imposing labels and categories on others.
• How intergenerational connections between women without children of different ages can provide support, wisdom, and inspiration.

(2:09) Meet Nicole & her Kids or Childfree decision

(22:20) Visualizing a childfree future

(32:17) Inclusivity & individuality in the childfree community

(40:49) Identity beyond mother vs. childfree woman

As mentioned in the show: Get a ticket to join our upcoming Confidently Childfree Book Club where we'll be joined by Nicole for a discussion and Q&A about Others Like Me: https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/confidently-childfree-support-series Find Nicole on Instagram: instagram.com/bynicolelouie And on Twitter: twitter.com/bynicolelouie Read Nicole's book, Others Like Me: The Lives of Women Without Children. About Nicole: Nicole Louie is a writer and translator based in Ireland. A former content strategist and creative writer for virtual assistants, she holds a BA in advertising and postgraduate diplomas in literature and translation. When not writing, she is reading about the lives of women without children. Her essays have appeared in Oh Reader and Childfree Magazine and her curated collections of books, movies, and podcasts about women who are not mothers by choice, infertility, circumstance or ambivalence can be found on Twitter and Instagram: @bynicolelouie. Others Like Me: The Lives of Women Without Children is her first book. About Others Like Me: Others Like Me: The Lives of Women Without Children by Nicole Louie (published by Dialogue Books in the UK in June & House of Anansi in North America). A deeply personal exploration of childless and childfree women in their own words. Others Like Me is the story of fourteen women around the world, from different walks of life, who don't have children. It's also the story of why Nicole Louie had to find them and what they taught her. Part memoir, part exploration of childlessness through candid conversations, this book showcases the many ways in which people find fulfillment outside of parenthood. And because the social expectation to procreate weighs the most on women, Louie focuses solely on them, their experiences, and how they flourish outside of motherhood. In doing so, she upends the stereotypes that diminish women who are not mothers and offers reassurance and companionship on a path less known. — Join an upcoming Kids or Childfree Workshop here: kidsorchildfree.com/workshop Check out our free resources here, or at kidsorchildfree.com/free-resources And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review The Kids or Childfree Podcast if you love what you're hearing! You can leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, or a rating on Spotify. Find us online at www.kidsorchildfree.com. Instagram: www.instagram.com/kidsorchildfree TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@kidsorchildfree

In this episode, Dr. Jay Zigmont returns to the podcast to discuss the unique future planning needs of childfree individuals. He and Keltie chat about:

• The importance of having proper medical and financial directives and the necessity of a support team.
• The paperwork and planning documents every childfree person should have in place.
• Why relying on a family member to help you manage future estate and health concerns is usually a bad idea.
• The special considerations for estate planning that cater to those without kids.
• Legacy planning and the impact childfree individuals can make in their lives and communities.

(0:22) Meet Dr. Jay and his project Childfree Trust

(11:31) Estate & medical emergency planning for childfree people

(24:34) Special challenges in documents for childfree people

(29:10) How to think about aging as a childfree individual

As mentioned in the show: Hear Jay's first appearance on the podcast in Episode 24: kidsorchildfree.com/podcast/episode/219886a3/24-dr-jay-zigmont-cfp-on-childfree-wealth-and-legacy

Find Dr. Jay on Instagram: instagram.com/childfreewealth/ On LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/childfree-wealth/ Find out more about Dr. Jay and Childfree Trust at childfreetrust.com Join our upcoming Confidently Childfree Support Session with Dr. Jay (happening on May 11th) here: https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/confidently-childfree-support-series

About Dr. Jay: Dr. Jay Zigmont is on a mission to help people without kids live their best lives, with the plan and finances to support it.

He's a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER® and Childfree Wealth Specialist® with Childfree Wealth®. In short, he's the go-to expert on navigating the financial road less traveled for people without kids.

He's the author of The Childfree Guide to Life and Money and a cohost of the Childfree Life by Design podcast, where he drops expert knowledge with a dose of humor.

Dr. Jay is a frequent contributor to top-tier media outlets, including Forbes, C-Span TheStreet, and the Wall Street Journal. __

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In this episode of the podcast, Keltie speaks with creative director, producer, musician, and writer, Amrita Vijay, about her decision to have a child with her platonic life partner, Andrew. You'll hear about:

• Why Amrita never wanted kids — and what made her change her mind
• How Amrita and her gay best friend, Andrew, decided to become co-parents
• How her and Andrew's unique relationship allows them to challenge traditional gender roles — and the pressures and expectations that still exist as a straight-presenting "couple" (who aren't actually a couple)
• The importance of questioning societal expectations around marriage and family — and how doing so, can create new ways of having kids and experiencing family
• What Andrew and Amrita's co-parenting relationship entails, and how they're navigating dating, future partners, and living arrangements

(0:46) Meet Amita and her Kids or Childfree decision (12:00)

(15:00) Deciding to have a kid with her platonic life partner

(28:41) Gender norms in parenting in a platonic relationship

(39:49) Legal and logistical framework

(52:04) Navigating outside opinions

(1:05:14) Reflections on parenthood

Mentioned in this episode: Find Amita on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vijayandstephens Her and Andrew's website is: emergencycontacts.substack.com Watch Amrita and Andrew's short film, LOOSELY — inspired by their decision to have kids together, and viewable on a private link here: https://vimeo.com/788430913/bc7f928154 Check out Amrita and Andrew's feature on Storyworth, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_1ZCkQtJU

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About Amrita: Amrita and Andrew are platonic life partners, artistic co-conspirators, and parents to a good baby. We write, we podcast, we broadcast, we produce, we sing, we create collaborative art onstage and onscreen — and, we reimagine family life as platonic co-parents to our son. All of these things contribute to our central vision, where direct, human connection is at the center. __

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In this solo episode Keltie is tackling a frequent question she gets from fence-sitters: "I know what I want today — but wow do I know whether future me will regret my choice?" This episode gets into..

• Why it's important to consider who we're making this decision for — our present or future self
• How to instill confidence that although you might change, there is a lot that will remain the same
• Why faith in our future self is essential to making a confident choice
• The importance of recognizing our inherent resilience in the face of future challenges and regrets
• How being intentional can help us cultivate trust that we're making the right decision

(0:50) How do I trust that my future self will want the things that I think I want today?

(2:15) A decision for my present self vs. future self

(7:05) How to account for change

(11:21) Cultivating self-trust

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Keltie is joined by freelance writer and author of the book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward, Gemma Hartley. Their discussion explores...

• What terms like emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor actually mean.
• The interplay of these things within partnerships, and in particular, the decision to have kids.
• Why having children exacerbates existing imbalances in relationships.
• The impact of societal expectations on women, and how social conditioning causes women to shoulder more emotional labor.
• Gemma's personal parenthood journey, as a mother of three, and how she and her partner corrected their emotional labor imbalance and built a more equitable partnership.

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(2:05) Meet Gemma & her Kids or Childfree decision (8:43)

(4:32) Defining emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor

(11:16) Tips for navigating an emotional labor imbalance & parenthood

(23:20) How Gemma and her husband built a more equitable partnership

(36:36) Mental load with multiple kids

(46:04) Solo parenthood

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Gemma's Substack, Angry Woman ▸ https://gemmahartley.substack.com

Gemma's first book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward ▸ https://bookshop.org/p/books/fed-up-emotional-labor-women-and-the-way-forward-gemma-hartley/933f0f3a89b3cb4b?ean=9780062856463&next=t

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ABOUT GEMMA

Gemma Hartley is a longtime freelance writer, writing coach, yoga instructor and most notably author of Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward. She has spoken on the topic of the mental load and emotional labor around the world, from corporate conferences to festivals at the Sydney Opera House. Her hope is to create work that encourages a more equitable world in which invisible labor is valued and supported by both personal partners and public policy alike.

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Keltie is speaking with childfree trailblazer, Marcia Drut-Davis, about the ups and downs of her life without children. They discuss...

• Marcia's public "coming out" of her childfree choice on the national TV show "60 Minutes" in 1974 — and the backlash that came with it.
• The stigma surrounding the childfree choice and the emotional toll it can take on those who choose it.
• Marcia's friendships with moms — and what has been key to these relationships surviving the different seasons of parenthood.
• The importance of young people in her life — and how you can cultivate intergenerational relationships.
• The profound beauty that can be found in life's simple, and seemingly insignificant moments, and how these can be a source of immense joy.
• Live as an 83-year-old childfree woman

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(1:58) Meet Marcia and her Kids or Childfree decision

(9:06) Announcing her childfree decision on "60 Minutes"

(16:56) Tips for telling family & friends that you're not having kids

(25:25) Community across generations

(39:04) Being childfree in your 80s

(46:15) Advice for people on the fence

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Confessions of a Childfree Woman ▸ https://bookshop.org/p/books/confessions-of-a-childfree-woman-a-life-spent-swimming-against-the-mainstream-marcia-drut-davis/adbfbde18db5546e?ean=9780615819235&next=t

What?! You Don't Want Children? ▸ https://bookshop.org/p/books/what-you-don-t-want-children-understanding-rejection-in-the-childfree-lifestyle-marcia-drut-davis/99ca98586b6991e2?ean=9781646693504&next=t

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ABOUT MARCIA

Marcia Drut-Davis is an American author, speaker, and longtime pioneer of the childfree-by-choice movement who first gained national attention in 1974 when she publicly explained on 60 Minutes why she and her then-husband didn't want children, a decision that cost her teaching job and led to intense backlash. She went on to lead the first chapter of the National Organization for Non-Parents, write influential books including Confessions of a Childfree Woman and What?! You Don't Want Children?, and help normalize childfree lifestyles. In recognition of her impact, she received a Lifetime Childfree Contribution Award and continues to be celebrated as a mentor and advocate for choice and acceptance of voluntary non-parenthood.

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