In this episode, Keltie Maguire speaks with Florence Wlodarski about Florence's Kids or Childfree journey — from ambivalence to IVF to embracing life without kids — plus, the inspiration behind PARALLEL, the social club Florence recently co-founded for those without kids.

Keltie and Florence discuss:

• The societal expectations regarding motherhood and the pressures Florence faced to become a mom.
• Florence's decision to pursue IVF and the emotional complexities involved in that process.
• The experience of trying for a child, while still being on the fence about having one.
• Florence's reflections on identity and career that arose from her experiences.
• How Florence ultimately found peace and freedom in the decision not to have kids.
• The importance of community and connection, and how Florence and her husband co-founded Parallel Social Club, to support others in similar situations.

About Florence: Florence Chung Wlodarski is the Co-Founder of PARALLEL, a new social club and community based out of Los Angeles, designed for those doing life without kids. In her professional life, she spent more than 20 years building community engagement strategies and partnerships between Fortune 500 corporations, nonprofit organizations and government agencies (with a speciality working with law enforcement) in the U.S. Now she's taking her experience and applying them to building a community for DINKs and SINKs. As mentioned in the show: Find Florence and Parallel Social Club online at parallelsocialclub.com. On Instagram: @parallelsocialclub __ Join the next round of our Kids or Childfree Group Program: www.kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-program Check out our free resources here, or at kidsorchildfree.com/free-resources And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review The Kids or Childfree Podcast if you love what you're hearing! You can leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, or a rating on Spotify. Find us online at www.kidsorchildfree.com. Instagram: www.instagram.com/kidsorchildfree