In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Elly returns for her third appearance to share more than 30 years of insight from frontline harm reduction and public health work, with a particular focus on eliminating Hepatitis C across the UK.

Elly explains how treatment has transformed from long, punishing year-long interferon courses with severe side effects to today’s short-course tablets that are over 96 percent effective. Drawing on decades of clinical, operational and commissioning experience, she breaks down how public health services respond to complex, evolving risks and why Hepatitis C continues to affect a far broader population than many assume.

While often associated with injecting drug use, Hepatitis C also impacts people who have had tattoos abroad, unregulated cosmetic work, shared razors or toothbrushes, or undergone certain health procedures in other countries. Elly offers clear guidance on symptoms, risk factors and the long-term damage caused when the virus goes undiagnosed for years.

We also explore the barriers that prevent people from completing treatment and how genuine co-production between service users, providers and commissioners is essential for improving outcomes. This conversation is relevant for healthcare professionals, students, commissioners and anyone wanting a clear, practical understanding of one of the UK’s most significant viral risks.

In this episode:

• 30 years of harm reduction and public health practice
• The evolution of Hepatitis C treatment: from interferon to 96%-effective tablets
• How Hepatitis C affects far more people than commonly understood
• Symptoms, risks and why early diagnosis matters
• Barriers to completing treatment and how services can remove them
• The role of co-production in improving access and outcomes
• Public health innovation, stigma reduction and community engagement

Search terms: Hepatitis C elimination UK, harm reduction podcast, public health stories, addiction recovery podcast UK, trauma and recovery, lived experience, substance misuse.

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If you want to change your direction, grow as a person, and live life to its full potential, Change Grow Live is here to help you. We’re here for you if you need help with challenges including drugs or alcohol, trouble with housing, domestic abuse, or your mental and physical wellbeing. Change Grow Live services are free and confidential. Click the link below to refer yourself to your local service.

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, we meet Henry Beercock, founder of Hull’s rapidly growing sober movement Alcohull Free. After nearly two decades of heavy binge drinking, Henry made a bold decision that changed his life: he stopped drinking, stepped away from his corporate career, and began rebuilding his health, identity and purpose from the inside out.

What started as a personal recovery journey quickly evolved into something bigger. Alcohull Free became a cultural shift – a movement for people who are tired of drinking culture but still want to connect, socialise and celebrate without compromise. Henry has created a space where choosing to be alcohol-free is not about restriction, but about reclaiming joy, energy and freedom.

This candid and energising conversation explores what sobriety really looks like beyond the stereotypes, and how one person’s transformation can inspire a community-wide rebellion against outdated norms.

Whether you’re exploring sobriety, rethinking your relationship with alcohol, or looking for new ways to connect without pressure, this is an episode that could genuinely change everything.

In this episode:

• Two decades of binge drinking and the moment Henry decided to stop
• Leaving corporate life and rebuilding identity
• How Alcohull Free started and why the movement matters
• Social pressures, drinking culture and redefining connection
• Sobriety as empowerment rather than restriction
• Community, belonging and the rise of sober spaces in Hull
• Tools for anyone curious about living alcohol-free

Search terms: alcohol recovery podcast UK, sobriety stories, binge drinking recovery, alcohol-free movement, lived experience stories, trauma and recovery, substance misuse.

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In this special episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, we present a unique collaboration with Apple Music and the Radio Academy Award-winning podcast Classical Connections, hosted by world-renowned pianist and composer Alexis Ffrench.

Originally broadcast as part of the celebrated 60-Second Sonata segment, Alexis invited host Matthew Butler to share a deeply personal reflection on trauma, addiction, stigma, and the origins of the Believe in People podcast. In response, Alexis composed an original piano piece titled “Believe” - a bespoke composition that captures the emotional gravity, hope, and humanity within Butler’s story.

The conversation explores how speaking with hundreds of people in recovery transformed Butler’s understanding of addiction, what leads individuals to substance use, the deeply personal nature of “rock bottom,” and why non-judgemental listening remains one of the most powerful tools in harm reduction and recovery.

In an extraordinary gesture of support for the recovery community, Apple Music has donated both the composition “Believe” and the full interview audio for wider public use, helping bring conversations about stigma, compassion, and addiction recovery to new audiences.

In this episode:

• Trauma, hope and the origins of Believe in People
• How hundreds of lived experience stories shaped Butler’s understanding of addiction
• The emotional and musical process behind Alexis Ffrench's composition “Believe”
• Stigma, rock bottoms and the human side of substance use
• The importance of listening without judgement
• Apple Music’s support for recovery conversations and community outreach

Search terms: addiction recovery podcast UK, trauma and recovery, Alexis Ffrench, Apple Music collaboration, lived experience stories, stigma and addiction, mental health, recovery community.

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Steve joins Believe in People to reflect on a life reshaped by shattered dreams, addiction, and spiritual awakening. 

Once set on joining the Royal Marines, a sudden medical disqualification derailed his path, sending him into years of heroin use, criminality, and methadone dependency.

What followed was a long drift through the Acid House scene, multiple prison sentences, and deep grief after losing his mother. But at rock bottom, Steve experienced a vivid dream that marked a turning point. That moment sparked a journey of faith and service that continues to guide his recovery today.

Now leading Bible groups and launching a Christian-based 12-step course, Steve speaks with clarity about finding peace, purpose, and the courage to begin again. His story is a powerful reminder that no matter how far we fall, it’s never too late to rebuild and that the road to recovery can become a path to meaning.

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Young Lee returns to explore what happens after the chaos of addiction — when the substances are gone, the dust has settled, and the real internal work begins.

Once seen as a rising talent in the music scene, Young describes how losing everything forced him to rebuild not just a life, but a self. Through daily spiritual practice, humility, service, discipline, and presence, he has found a quieter, deeper form of freedom - one rooted not in status, attention or achievement, but in being genuinely useful to others.

This is not simply a story of surviving addiction. It is a raw, reflective exploration of spiritual recovery, long-term healing, and the ongoing work of becoming someone trustworthy again. Young speaks candidly about repairing relationships with his children, breaking the illusion of control, and staying grounded in a world that constantly pulls us away from ourselves.

If you’ve ever wondered what recovery looks like years after the substances have gone, this conversation offers clarity, honesty and hope. It’s not about perfection. It’s about showing up, telling the truth, and choosing peace one day at a time.

In this episode:

• What recovery really looks like years after stopping substances
• How losing everything created space to rebuild identity
• Daily spiritual practices and the discipline of presence
• Reconnecting with his children and earning back trust
• Breaking the illusion of control and embracing service
• Music, purpose, humility and long-term emotional sobriety

Search terms: addiction recovery podcast UK, spiritual recovery, life after addiction, long-term sobriety, lived experience stories, trauma and recovery, substance misuse.

If you liked this episode then you'll also love Young's first appearance 👇

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6UtKzvrzzqVJWLQxZSehJ8

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/41-young-heroin-house-music-healing-smuggling-acid/i

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Ross shares an extraordinary journey from personal tragedy to public advocacy following the suicide of his father - a traumatic event that deeply shaped his mental health and identity.

Struggling to cope with overwhelming grief, Ross turned to alcohol and cocaine to numb the pain, leading to multiple suicide attempts and a period of profound crisis. A pivotal moment of clarity during hospitalisation marked the beginning of his recovery journey, rooted in sobriety, honesty and the lifesaving impact of peer support.

Through his involvement with Andy’s Man Club, Ross rediscovered purpose by helping create spaces where men can speak openly, confront trauma, and support each other without judgement. His story highlights the social conditioning of masculinity, the emotional cost of silence, and the healing power of community-led recovery.

This conversation also examines the moment Ross met the paramedic who saved his life - a full-circle encounter that reinforced the value of second chances and the profound ripple effect of choosing to stay.

Trigger Warning: This episode discusses suicide, addiction and mental health crises.

In this episode:

• Suicide bereavement and its long-term emotional impact
• Alcohol and cocaine misuse as coping mechanisms for grief
• Multiple suicide attempts and the moment everything changed
• Hospitalisation, sobriety and reclaiming purpose
• The role of Andy’s Man Club in community-led men’s mental health support
• Masculinity, emotional resilience and breaking the silence
• Meeting the paramedic who saved his life
• Why peer support can transform recovery

If you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, addiction or overwhelming emotions, please contact Samaritans at 116 123 or visit Andy’s Man Club to find a local group.

Search terms: suicide bereavement recovery, men’s mental health podcast UK, addiction recovery stories, lived experience, peer support groups, trauma and recovery, cocaine addiction

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Matt speaks with Woody Albrow, the National Connecting Communities Lead at Change Grow Live, who shares an open and deeply personal account of his journey through addiction, spirituality and professional development.

Woody reflects on the early signs of substance use during his teens, including butane gas, cannabis, hallucinogens and eventually alcohol, which became his most destructive dependency. He speaks honestly about the emotional undercurrents that fuelled his use - shame, isolation, denial and the weight of unprocessed trauma.

He describes the profound personal impact of addiction: fractured family relationships, disconnection from his children, and the collapse of his physical and emotional wellbeing. A powerful turning point involving arrest and hospitalisation pushed Woody into detox, where the foundations of his recovery journey began to take shape.

A key theme throughout this conversation is the role of spirituality, nature, and meaningful human connection. Woody explains how spiritual philosophy helped him replace dependency with purpose, grounding and clarity, and how being part of a recovery community offered both accountability and belonging.

Now in a national leadership role, Woody reflects on stigma, disclosure and the complexities of bringing lived experience into professional spaces. He explores the cultural shifts needed within organisations to recognise lived experience not as a risk, but as a transformative asset.

In this episode:

• Early substance use and the emotional roots of addiction
• Butane gas, cannabis, hallucinogens and alcohol dependency
• Arrest, hospitalisation and the moment rock bottom became a turning point
• Shame, isolation and denial in active addiction
• Spirituality, nature and the foundations of long-term recovery
• Community, peer support and rebuilding family connections
• Leading with lived experience at Change Grow Live
• Stigma, disclosure and cultural change in professional settings

Search terms: addiction recovery podcast UK, lived experience leadership, spiritual recovery, trauma and recovery, substance misuse, peer support, Change Grow Live, long-te

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Matt speaks with Chris De Banks, founder of Not Saints - the UK’s only not-for-profit record label dedicated to supporting musicians in recovery. Through Chris’s lived experience, we explore the powerful intersection of music, addiction and sobriety, and the realities of navigating creative life without substances.

Chris reflects on his early experiences in the drug-fuelled 90s music scene, how substance use became normalised, and the point where creativity and chaos began to collide. He shares his journey through addiction and recovery, the turning points that helped him rebuild, and how Not Saints emerged as a platform to amplify sober artists, challenge stigma, and provide genuine community in an industry often dominated by alcohol and drug culture.

Together, Matt and Chris dismantle the myths that link creativity with substance use, discuss the glamorisation of addiction in pop culture, and highlight how storytelling, sober events and authentic expression can reshape what artistic identity looks like in recovery.

This is an inspiring conversation about purpose, second chances, and building spaces where creativity thrives without cost to wellbeing.

In this episode:

• The drug-fuelled 90s music scene and early addiction
• How recovery reshaped Chris’s relationship with creativity
• Founding Not Saints and building a sober creative community
• The myth of “needing substances to create”
• Stigma, pop culture and the glamorisation of addiction
• Sober events, storytelling and empowering artists in recovery
• Why purpose, routine and connection sustain long-term sobriety

Search terms: addiction recovery podcast UK, musicians in recovery, sober music community, lived experience stories, trauma and recovery, substance misuse, creativity and sobriety.

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, Matt sits down with Daniel Ramson, known online as TalkToBigDan, for a raw, provocative and unapologetically direct conversation about recovery, responsibility and the limits of traditional services.

Dan charts his journey from partying with rock stars to being sectioned, surviving drug-induced psychosis, and navigating the family fallout that followed. Rejecting the disease model of addiction, he advocates instead for radical accountability, discipline, structure and ownership - an approach that has made him one of Europe’s most in-demand and controversial recovery coaches.

This conversation does not shy away from division. Dan pulls no punches, challenging assumptions about treatment, personal responsibility and what it actually takes to change your life. While his views are not universal, they are rooted firmly in lived experience and delivered with a level of honesty that forces reflection.

Whether you agree or disagree, this episode sparks vital debate around the future of recovery, the limits of conventional approaches, and the role of personal agency in rebuilding a meaningful life after addiction.

In this episode:

• The rise of TalkToBigDan and his tough-love philosophy
• Drug-induced psychosis, crisis points and being sectioned
• Family fallout, shame and rebuilding identity
• Why Dan rejects the disease model of addiction
• Radical accountability, discipline and structure as recovery tools
• The tension between lived experience and traditional services
• Debates that challenge and reshape how recovery is understood

Search terms: addiction recovery podcast UK, tough-love recovery, recovery coaching, drug-induced psychosis, lived experience stories, trauma and recovery, discipline and addiction.

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In this episode of Believe in People: Addiction, Recovery & Stigma, John shares a powerful story of quiet transformation - a shift from binge drinking, late nights and emotional exhaustion to clarity, creativity and meaningful connection.

After a 5am moment of reckoning, John made a life-changing decision: to stop drinking. Not because he identified as an alcoholic, but because alcohol no longer aligned with the life he wanted to build. In the space that sobriety created, he discovered a new passion for photography and founded Hull and Yorkshire Daily, a widely followed platform capturing the beauty, grit and character of the region.

With honesty and insight, John reflects on how removing alcohol unlocked personal growth, emotional stability and even physical transformation. His story explores the pressures of drinking culture, the search for authenticity, and what it means to rebuild a life based on values rather than habits.

This conversation is a compelling reminder that sobriety is not only a response to harm - it can be a deliberate, empowering choice that makes room for creativity, purpose and self-belief.

In this episode:

• A 5am moment of clarity and choosing sobriety
• Leaving binge drinking culture behind
• How photography became a new identity and outlet
• Creating Hull and Yorkshire Daily
• Personal, emotional and physical transformation
• Redefining authenticity without alcohol
• Living a values-led life and finding connection through creativity

Search terms: sobriety podcast UK, binge drinking recovery, alcohol recovery stories, lived experience, creative recovery, trauma and recovery, Hull photography.

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