Better Learning Podcast

What if the buildings we design for students could shape not just how they learn, but who they become?

In this episode, Jeff Kubiak and Carla Cummins sit down with Jesse Miller, Managing Senior Principal at PBK Architects, to explore how K-12 architecture can transform education from the ground up. From designing Compton High School alongside Dr. Dre to creating spaces where students don't want to leave, Jesse reveals how thoughtful design decisions today can impact generations of learners for the next century.

Drawing from over two decades designing schools across California, Nevada, and Texas, Jesse shares how truly radically student-centered environments are built through vision, community input, and asking one essential question: will this make a student's daily experience better?

Takeaways:

• Design for a hundred years, not today: Schools must outlast current pedagogy—ask what education looks like 70 years from now, not just what works in 2026
• Every square foot matters: From corridor nooks to bathroom design, if a student will experience it, it deserves intentional thought
• Put learning on display: Create environments where students can "shop their future" by seeing what peers are creating and achieving across campus
• Include every voice: Teacher workshops reveal current needs, but student workshops unlock what's truly possible—get both perspectives before a single line is drawn
• Flip the script on control: Traditional schools were optimized for managing students; radically student-centered schools support how they learn, move, collaborate, and belong
• Measure success by who stays: When kids don't want to leave campus at 9 PM, you've designed something right
• When learners thrive, communities flourish: This is the heart of radically student-centered design

About Jesse Miller:

With over twenty two plus years of expertise in architectural design and sustainable solutions, I currently serve as Managing Senior Principal at PBK overseeing the West Region, where I contribute to innovative and sustainable civic and education projects. I currently lead over 260 design and engineering professionals committed to elevating our clients places and spaces into environments beyond imagination. My previous leadership role as Regional Sector Leader for DLR Group allowed me to drive impactful design strategies in the California K-12 sector, leveraging my skills in design research and sustainable architecture.

Certified as an architect by the California Architects Board and holding credentials as a LEED Green Associate and DBIA professional, I am dedicated to fostering collaborative environments that prioritize sustainability and innovation in educational spaces. My mission is to create designs that inspire learning and positively impact communities.

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Episode 306 of the Better Learning Podcast

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

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What if your school building wasn't just a place where learning happens, but one of the most powerful teachers in the room?

In this episode, Mark Barga sits down with Anne Fullenkamp, Senior Director of Creative Experiences at the Children's Museum of Pittsburgh, to explore how thoughtfully designed spaces can spark curiosity, boost confidence, and expand what students believe is possible. From hallways that invite discovery to classrooms that adapt to every learner, Anne reveals how architecture can quietly shape mindsets, behaviors, and futures.

Drawing from her accidental journey from practicing architect to museum exhibit designer—where she's spent nearly two decades living alongside her own designs—Anne shares how truly student-centered environments are built through empathy, collaboration, and treating schools like the laboratories they can be.

Takeaways:

• Buildings as learning tools: Design schools that actively participate in learning, not just house it—every wall, hallway, and corner can tell a story
• Start with "what if": Center design charrettes on how spaces will look and feel, not just how many seats you need
• Remove barriers to curiosity: Create environments where teachers can respond in the moment without calling facilities for a work order
• Make movement matter: Balance gross motor and fine motor experiences throughout the day—even the hallways can serve learning
• Design for adaptability: Treat schools like museums—plan for environments to evolve with changing pedagogy and technology over 50+ years
• Budget smarter, not bigger: You don't need massive investments to start—make small bets, experiment with a corner or underused classroom first
• When learners thrive, communities flourish: This is the heart of radically student-centered design

About Anne Fullenkamp:

Anne Fullenkamp, Associate AIA, LEED AP, Senior Director of Creative Experiences, Children's Museum of Pittsburgh

With more than 25 years of experience in the museum design and architectural fields, Anne is responsible for design and execution of museum experiences at the Children's Museum of Pittsburgh. In her role as Senior Director of Creative Experiences, she oversees the Museum's permanent exhibits and collections, artist residencies, traveling exhibit program, design consulting and other business development programs, leading complex design teams consisting of artists, scientists and researchers.

Since joining the Museum of Pittsburgh in 2006, Anne has served as lead designer, contributing to the on-going development of the Museum's Play with Real Stuff design philosophy for informal learning environments that advocates for authenticity in all museum experiences. In addition, she is leading the Museum's universal design initiative, working with cultural organizations in Pittsburgh to advise on best practices for update the physical amenities to help make the city a hub for accessibility in the arts. As part of this work, she was part of the team to coordinate the implementation of Universal Design practices on the Museum campus, that resulted in MuseumLab, a major capital project on campus, receiving isUD certification from the University at Buffalo, School of Architecture and Planning's Center for Inclusive Design and Environmental Access (IDEA Center). Anne is the point person for ongoing research with the IDEA Center in the application of universal design principles on our campus. Likewise, she has received training from in the IDEA Center in the practice of universal design and continues to pursue continuing education opportunities in the discipline.

In recent years, Anne's work in inclusive design practices has expanded to include her design consulting work with K-12 schools. As part of the Museum's vision to transform education, Anne serves as an experience consultant for school districts, teachers and architects to help maximize the informal learning opportunities within the formal school environment, focusing specifically on the convergence of social-emotional learning and STEAM curriculum with overall health and wellbeing of the school community.

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Episode 305 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

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What if your school building wasn't just a place where learning happens, but one of the most powerful teachers in the room?

In this episode, Jessica sits down with Susan Morgan to explore how thoughtfully designed spaces can spark curiosity, boost confidence, and expand what students believe is possible. From hallways that invite discovery to classrooms that adapt to every learner, Susan reveals how architecture can quietly shape mindsets, behaviors, and futures.

Drawing from her own journey where she helped design her Montessori school as a child to leading innovative projects across the country, Susan shares how truly student-centered environments are built through empathy, collaboration, and bold "what if" thinking.

Takeaways:

• Buildings as learning tools: Design schools that actively participate in learning, not just house it
• Start with "what if": Invite all stakeholders to reimagine possibilities before focusing on constraints
• Remove barriers to curiosity: Create environments that support natural learning instincts rather than limiting them
• Make opportunities visible: Use spatial connections so students are exposed to disciplines they might not otherwise discover
• Design for adaptability: Treat schools like museums—plan for environments to evolve with changing pedagogy and technology
• When learners thrive, communities flourish: This is the heart of radically student-centered design

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 304 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In this episode, Carla Cummins and Jessica Westerduin speak with Courtney Ter-Velde, K-12 Project Manager and Interior Design Specialist at LaBella Associates, about radically student-centered design in educational spaces. Courtney shares her unique journey from musical theater performer and sociology major to interior designer specializing in K-12 education. She discusses her passion for working with smaller rural districts where design impact resonates deeply throughout the community, including a playground project that transformed a district that hadn't seen updates in 30 years. The conversation explores how schools can be spaces where students find safety, develop trust, and discover their sense of self—going far beyond just improving educational outcomes. Courtney also reflects on the balance between technology and traditional learning methods, noting research supporting pen-and-paper learning alongside digital tools.

Takeaways:

• Schools shape more than academics: Design spaces where students can find safety, build trust, and develop their sense of self
• Support educators too: Create environments that empower teachers to focus on their vital work
• Ask deeper questions: Build trust with stakeholders to move beyond surface-level conversations about storage and into meaningful dialogue
• Every project deserves full attention: Budget size doesn't determine the level of care—smaller districts often see the biggest community-wide impact
• Balance technology thoughtfully: Integrate digital tools while respecting research on pen-and-paper learning and diverse learning styles
• People are our greatest resource: Collaborate across disciplines—designers, manufacturers, educators—to create truly successful spaces

About Courtney Ter-Velde:

Courtney Ter Velde, NYS CID, is K–12 Project Manager and Interior Design Specialist and in the Architecture Division at LaBella Associates, in their Rochester, NY location. A graduate of Rochester Institute of Technology with over thirteen years of industry experience, she specializes in educational programming, space planning, standardization, visualization, and evidence-based design that supports social-emotional learning, wellness, and equity. Courtney is an Accredited Learning Environment Planner (ALEP) and LEED Green Associate, bringing expertise in educational visioning, community engagement, pre-design planning, and sustainable, student-centered environments. She currently supports multiple school districts across the western NY region, guiding projects from pre-referendum through construction, including capital improvement initiatives focused on safety, accessibility, technology integration, and flexible, future-ready learning spaces.

A recognized leader and advocate for educational design, Courtney is a former New York Chapter President and current Northeast Region President-Elect of the Association for Learning Environments (A4LE), where she advances interdisciplinary collaboration and industry engagement. She serves on the Monroe 2 BOCES Student Foundation Board, mentors students through the IIDA Explorer Program, and contributes to professional discourse through conference presentations and publications. Through her design work, leadership, and community involvement, Courtney is dedicated to creating healthy, inclusive, and inspiring environments that elevate learning and positively impact the next generation.

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtneytroytervelde/

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 303 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In this episode, Mark Barga speaks with Anne Fullenkamp, Senior Director of Creative Experiences at the Children's Museum of Pittsburgh, about bringing museum design principles into educational spaces. Anne shares her accidental journey from practicing architect to exhibit designer, explaining how her nearly two decades at the Children's Museum transformed her approach to creating inspiring, flexible learning environments. She discusses innovative projects featuring MakeShop, informal learning practices, and spaces that foster student agency and hands-on exploration. The conversation emphasizes the importance of involving students as co-designers, thinking like a museum about facility longevity, and creating schools where both children and teachers can thrive through responsive, adaptable design.

Takeaways:

• Start small: Test ideas with low-cost experiments before making major investments
• Design for flexibility: Create spaces that don't become barriers to what people want to do in the moment
• Include students as co-designers: Children are people with valid design aesthetics and needs—bring them into the process early
• Think like a museum: Build layered systems that can be updated at different intervals—daily, yearly, and generationally
• Partner with facilities teams: The people maintaining the building will ultimately make design decisions, so involve them from the start
• Use every inch: Hallways, corners, and in-between spaces are opportunities for curiosity and learning
• Prioritize sensory experience: Natural light, varied textures, and acoustic comfort matter as much to children as to adults

About Anne:

Anne Fullenkamp is the Senior Director of Creative Experiences at the Children's Museum of Pittsburgh.

With nearly 25 years of experience in the design and architectural field, Anne is responsible for design and execution of museum experiences. In this role, she oversees the Museum's permanent exhibits and collections, design consulting and business development programs, leading complex design team consisting of artists, scientists and researchers.

In 2014, Anne was the lead designer for "XOXO: An Exhibit About Love and Forgiveness", a traveling exhibition designed to further the principles of love and forgiveness.

She has continued to explore best practices of designing for empathy and marrying social-emotional learning opportunities with the Museum's Play with Real Stuff design philosophy for informal learning environments.

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 303 of the Better Learning Podcast

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In this episode, Jessica Westerduin and Carla Cummins speak with Sarah Dirsa, principal at KG&D Architects, about radically student-centered design in educational spaces. Sarah shares her unique journey from English teacher to architect, explaining how her teaching experience in Florence and St. Louis shaped her approach to creating flexible, individualized learning environments. She discusses innovative projects featuring collaborative zones, adaptable classrooms, and spaces that foster student agency and ownership. The conversation emphasizes the importance of listening to stakeholders, meeting learners where they are, and designing schools that evolve beyond traditional classroom models to prepare students for future careers and technologies.

Takeaways:

• Listen first: Understand pedagogical goals and community needs before designing
• Meet learners where they are: Accommodate diverse learning styles with flexible spaces
• Challenge assumptions: Reimagine schools beyond traditional classroom models
• Design for choice: Create varied zones for individual, small group, and collaborative learning
• Think ahead: Build adaptable spaces for evolving technology and teaching methods

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 302 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

Register for the live stream here!

Kevin Stoller and Matt Rogers are building anticipation for a live stream event on February 2nd at 2 PM Eastern—and they're keeping it mysterious. They promise this announcement will be unexpected and game-changing for anyone in educational design, school leadership, and construction. If you're not there, you'll be behind the curve.

The hosts also reflect on their 2025 season exploring school movies like Billy Madison and School of Rock. For 2026, they're pivoting to tackle real industry problems while keeping the fun alive, with themes tied to their big February reveal. Mark your calendar and register—this is one you can't miss.

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Episode 301 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In Adam Sandler's Billy Madison, an immature heir's journey back through grade school becomes a wild, comedic exploration of learning, privilege, and the power of second chances. As Billy stumbles from kindergarten to high school, the film asks: what does it really mean to grow up, and how do our experiences in school shape who we become? And for educators, how can humor, humility, and a willingness to start over help us connect with students—and ourselves—on a deeper level?

Through Billy's misadventures, the eccentric cast of teachers and classmates, and the absurd challenges he faces, we see the importance of perseverance, the value of community, and the unexpected lessons that come from embracing failure. The movie reminds us that transformation—whether in a classroom, a school, or a person—often begins with a willingness to be vulnerable, to laugh at ourselves, and to try again.

On this first-ever live audience recording of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller is joined by Brian Schoch and Katelyn Forcucci, along with responses and insights from multiple audience members. Together, they explore what Billy Madison reveals about education, leadership, and the messy, joyful process of learning at any age.

Takeaways:

• Growth in education isn't always linear—sometimes it takes a few detours, mistakes, and a sense of humor to get where we need to go.
• Privilege and opportunity can shape our educational journeys, but real learning requires humility, effort, and support from others.
• Teachers and classmates play a crucial role in helping us overcome setbacks and discover our strengths.
• Embracing failure and starting over can lead to deeper understanding, resilience, and empathy.
• Laughter and playfulness can break down barriers, build community, and make learning more meaningful for everyone.
• The live audience's questions and reflections add fresh perspectives, reminding us that learning is a shared, ongoing adventure.

Join us for this lively episode as we blend comedy, education, and real-time audience energy to uncover the lessons hidden in Billy Madison's outrageous return to school.

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Episode 300 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In this episode, Julia Miller from Playful Learning Landscapes discusses how her team co-designs playful, student-centered learning spaces in public areas like parks and bus stops. She emphasizes the importance of including children's voices in every step of the design process, using evidence-based principles, and fostering community engagement to create fun, meaningful learning experiences for all kids.

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 298 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website

In this episode, Celeste Karier of FGM Architects joins Katie Jubenville to discuss designing radically student-centered educational spaces. Celeste shares how her team gathers input from both students and adults, uses surveys and prototypes, and encourages real-world feedback to create environments that support academic and social-emotional needs. The conversation also touches on the evolving role of technology and the importance of adapting to future changes in education.

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

Episode 297 of the Better Learning Podcast

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/

Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website