Episode 15, the big one, the pinnacle of the Chris and Jay podcasting experiment. This week Chris and Jay go transatlantic and speak to New Jersey’s answer to Jason Mamoa, Prof Miguel Benitez. What do we talk about? Oh, there is so much to talk about. We talk about Miguel’s role as ADCC Head referee for NA and his approach to refereeing grappling matches. We talk about Miguel’s thoughts on running a BJJ School, lawsuits in BJJ and we talk about what it is like training under Tom Deblass. Was there anything else? Hell yeah there was. Miguel fills us in on his day job and his deep love of trains, he tells us what the Goat himself was like as a 14 year old and we learn a new submission to try out on the local competition circuit. Father, Black Belt, Podcaster, School Owner, ADCC Ref and Train Guy. A legit dude. Did we do the magnitude of the event justice? Its probably not the best zoom interview ever conducted, but as always, its Better Than Average.