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Veteran reporter Robert Scheer talks about his legendary Playboy interview with Jimmy Carter. Then journalist Moe Tkacik talks about Luigi Mangione, a whistleblower suit filed by a surgeon United Healthcare hired to deny spinal fusion surgery coverage, and how plutocracy kills.

Moe Tkacik is the investigations editor of the American Prospect. Earlier in her career she worked for the Wall Street Journal, co-founded the feminist site Jezebel and waited on Steve Miller and Steve Mnuchin's wife at various fine dining establishments. She lives in DC with her husband and 2 sons.

Robert Scheer is the publisher of Scheer Post (https://scheerpost.com/). Scheer has written eight books, including two this decade: "The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street while Mugging Main Street," and his newest book is "They Know Everything about You: How Data-Collecting Corporations and Snooping Government Agencies Are Destroying Democracy." He is a clinical professor of communications at the Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism at the University of Southern California. He has interviewed Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and others. Between 1964 and 1969 he was Vietnam correspondent, managing editor and editor in chief of Ramparts magazine.

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