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  • John DeLozier: How to Shift from 100% Direct to 100% Channel

    What makes a successful company decide to shift their business from direct to channel? In the case of 8×8, it was the vision of the CEO who saw the channel as the way to take the company to the next level. In this episode, the last one of 2019, I have the real pleasure of interviewing 8×8’s head of global channels, John DeLozier. In just a year and a half, John and team have gone from 100% direct to over 60% of the business going through the channel. John shares how 8×8 is making the shift to 100% channel with the help of a mind-blowing partner program they call Elev8.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    The Route to 100% Direct
    • A successful channel program is a give and take. Expect to give your partner as much as they give you.
    • 8Ă—8 takes blitz days to an all new level. They invade the partners office with a sales and marketing team and a pre-nurtured call list. They hit the phones with the partner’s reps with an old-school dialing campaign. And they do this 60 to 70 times a quarter!
    • You need to understand your partner’s battlefield. Go to them and see where their rubber meets the road.
    • Be flexible and adjust your incentive model to fit the partner’s business model. Whether they’re an agent, a VAR, an MSP, an ISV, or an alliance partner. Let them decide how they will take your offering to the world.
    • Let your partners build their professional services and IP on top of your software. Be there to back them up, enable them, but don’t compete with them.
    • Be genuine. Be interested in everyone no matter their level. Be ready to jump in the weeds with them. Be focused on your partners’ success.
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      We want to feel the dirt with our partners. We want to understand their environment, their battlefield, where their rubber meets the road, where they make the sales. @jldelozier3
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      We care about getting our software to the world, whether that's through a master agent, a VAR, an MSP, or an alliance partner…Let them decide how they will take it to the world. We just want them to do it. @jldelozier3
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      We believe in our partners, we support our partners, we are with our partners, we aren't looking at the things that we don't need to look at, we just want them to be successful. @jldelozier3
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      LINKS & RESOURCES
      • Follow John on LinkedIn and on Twitter
      • Learn more about the Elev8 Partner Program
      • Listen to how Janet Schijns became Channel Influencer of the Year
      • The post John DeLozier: How to Shift from 100% Direct to 100% Channel first appeared on Channel Journeys.
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      • John DeLozier: How to Shift from 100% Direct to 100% Channel - CJ41
        In this episode, the last one of 2019, I have the pleasure of interviewing 8x8's head of global channels, John DeLozier. In just a year and a half, John and team have gone from 100% direct to over 60% of the business going through the channel. John shares how 8x8 is making the shift with the help of a mind-blowing partner program they call Elev8.
        39 min
      • Tiffani Bova – 5 Paths to Consistent Channel Growth

        This episode marks the one year anniversary of Channel Journeys! I’m honored to welcome Tiffani Bova, the growth and innovation evangelist at Salesforce and one of the top influencers in IT as my guest. Driving consistent channel growth in this era of digital transformation requires new ways of thinking. Tiffani is a thought leader on the topic of business growth and innovation. We discuss 5 paths to channel growth, applying the strategies from her bestselling book Growth IQ. You’ll learn that the path to growth is never about doing just one thing. Successful companies execute a combination of Growth IQ paths in a well thought out sequence.

        KEY TAKEAWAYS

        These 5 channel growth paths can be used in combination very effectively. Just make sure you apply them in a logical sequence.  

        1. PARTNERSHIPS

        The question is not whether you should have partners. The question today is, what kind of partner do you need? Do you need an ISV partner? Do you need a resale partner? Do you need an integration partner? Do you need a referral partner? You may need all of these types. As business models evolve, we have to continue looking at new partner models.

        2. CO-OPETITION

        Many vendors have a protectionist, shortsighted view that prevents them from partnering with companies perceived as competitors. Zero-sum game thinking prevents companies from achieving faster growth. You have to believe that 1 + 1 = 3. And you have to take the customer’s perspective. Figure out what and who it takes to provide the end-to-end solution that gives your customers the business outcome they are seeking. 

        4. MARKET ACCELERATION

        Market acceleration is about expanding into new markets with existing products. Leveraging local sales and delivery partners is an excellent way to open new markets without the heavy investment of doing everything yourself. But first you have to make sure you have everything in place to support those partners. Do you have your website and documentation translated? Can you provide product support? Do you have partner enablement resources?

        4. PRODUCT EXPANSION

        Product expansion is about selling new products into existing markets. Leveraging partners to build new offerings on top of your product or platform allow you and your partners to both focus on what you do best. Salesforce does a great job of this with their app exchange program.  

        5. OPTIMIZE SALES

        Streamlining your sales efforts to increase productivity can be even more effective than adding more sales resources. In the channel, look for ways to automate the administrative tasks that can consume over 60% of your channel manager’s time. 

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        The path to growth is not one thing. It isn't just partnerships. It isn't just competition. It isn't just customer experience. It isn't just getting better about selling. It's all of them. @Tiffani_Bova
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        …I put customer experience at the front of Growth IQ because behind every decision you make should be a customer. @Tiffani_Bova
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        Growth has less to do with your sales process or what you're selling. It has everything to do with how your customers feel when they engage with you. @Tiffani_Bova
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        FEEDBACK

        What do you think the partner of 2023 or 2025 is going to look like? Let Tiffani know by connecting with her on LinkedIn or Twitter.

        LINKS & RESOURCES
        • Pick up a copy of Growth IQ
        • Check out Tiffani’s podcast What’s Next!
        • Follow Tiffani on LinkedIn and Twitter.
        • The post Tiffani Bova – 5 Paths to Consistent Channel Growth first appeared on Channel Journeys.
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        • Tiffani Bova: 5 Paths to Consistent Channel Growth – CJ40
          Tiffani Bova is the growth and innovation evangelist at Salesforce and author of the bestselling book Growth IQ. Tiffani shares 5 paths to channel growth applying the strategies from Growth IQ. Learn why the path to growth is never about doing just one thing, and why the sequence of applying the growth strategies really matters.
          43 min
        • Dave Taylor: How to Build a Shadow Channel Program

          The “SaaSier” your business, the more likely you need non-traditional channels. And the non-traditional channel everyone is talking about is the “shadow channel”.  This week I’m talking with Dave Taylor, Impartner’s gregarious Chief Marketing Officer. We discuss how to reach and motivate this emerging influencer channel through referral-based programs.

          KEY TAKEAWAYS
          What exactly is the shadow channel?
          • Shadow channel refers to people and organizations influencing the technology buyer, but not traditionally included in channel programs. This includes accountants, lawyers, consultants, or even Uber drivers that happen to overhear a conversation in the backseat of their car. 
          • Referral programs are well suited for this non-traditional and non-transactional channel that isn’t selling your product, only influencing the purchase.
          • How to build and leverage a referral program
            • Segment your referral partners between managed and unmanaged based on the level of referral activity and potential.
            • Use an automation tool to manage all of the communications and payments to your referral partners. Delayed, missing, and incorrect payments will damage your channel reputation.
            • Set a metric, such as number of referrals per month, when you will bump referral partners up into a sell-with or sell-through model that has more obligations and higher rewards. 
            • If a partner who’s in a higher tier is failing to meet that tier’s obligations, bump them back down to that referral status. 
            • Carefully document the terms and conditions that an incoming partner has to click to accept so they know they will be bumped down.
            • Even at the onboarding stage, bring traditional partners on at referral status. If they aren’t meeting expectations, keep them at the referral tier until they do. 
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              Onboard faster and offboard slower. Make sure partners meet the terms and conditions and they're willing to invest the way you are going to invest in them. -Dave Taylor
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              Whether your referral partners are managed or unmanaged, you need a lot of automation, because you're managing the payments and communications. -Dave Taylor
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              Being metric-based in how you manage your channel is one of the most important things that can happen because it eliminates all the hunch and variability. -Dave Taylor
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              LINKS & RESOURCES
              • Follow Dave on LinkedIn.
              • Learn more about Amplifinity and Referral Partner Programs
              • Read how Influencer Partner Programs are Gaining Traction With B2B Marketers
              • Learn how you can become an influencer with Janet Schijns
              • The post Dave Taylor: How to Build a Shadow Channel Program first appeared on Channel Journeys.
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              • Dave Taylor: How to Build a Shadow Channel Program - CJ39
                The "SaaSier" your business, the more likely you need non-traditional channels. And the non-traditional channel everyone is talking about is the "shadow channel". This week I'm talking with Dave Taylor, Chief Marketing Officer at Impartner. We discuss how to reach and motivate this emerging influencer channel through referral-based programs.
                47 min
              • Janet Schijns: How To Become Channel Influencer of the Year in 3 Easy Steps

                Think you know what it takes to become more influential? To find out, I interviewed Janet Schijns, CEO of the JS Group and winner of the Channel Partners 2019 Channel Influencer of the Year award.  We talk about social influence and why it’s hugely important for your personal and professional brand. Janet shares the three steps she took to build her influence and win the Channel Partners award leveraging her social media strategy.

                KEY TAKEAWAYS

                Successful social media is a mindset. It can be uncomfortable at first but change nearly always is. You need to have some fun with it and you need a plan.  Here are the three key elements of your social media plan:

                1. Build Trust.
                • People will not trust someone who works for a vendor, or a partner, or any company in the technology spectrum that is only posting their company’s pre-canned information. That should be no more than 20% of your content.
                • A lot of trust comes from being purposeful about building what your brand platform is going to be as a person, not as a company. 
                • Conversations happen at a personal level. Your social media should reflect your purpose and your values.
                • 2. Be known.
                  • Where most people start to fail is in routinely posting content and engaging with others. They have the best intentions and for a day or two. And then on day three, they just they just run out of steam and then they don’t post for three weeks and then they wonder why they’re not doing better.
                  • Many people cannot or do not want to be continuously posting, or they just simply don’t have the time. A good way to get around this is to hire someone who can learn your tone and brand, and make those posts and interactions for you.
                  • A good way to measure your digital influence is to look at connections to influencers. If you have a lot of connections but no connections to influencers, that’s a negative. 
                  • 3. Be Part of the Conversation
                    • Participation is a key factor. Interacting with clients and customers on their posts and on comments they make on yours is key.
                    • Having a successful social media presence means being able to watch a hashtag as it is going on in the moment. You can be relevant in a conversation taking place at a trade show, for example, without even being there.
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                      When we really define influence, we say, if you were to post something or put something online or engage online, who's listening to you, and what action are they taking? And that's what makes you an influencer. -@ChannelSmart
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                      Your number of connections is something that makes you feel good. What really matters is that you have trusted people that know you and they're going to bring you in the conversation. - @ChannelSmart
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                      In the new world, marketing is much more important than sales. Marketing is the tip of the spear. It's no longer arts and crafts. It's the science and the data of how your company succeeds.-@ChannelSmart
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                      LINKS & RESOURCES
                      • Follow Janet LinkedIn and Twitter.
                      • Learn more about her company JS Group.
                      • Learn how you can be a part of Tech Worlds Half by following their Facebook page, or visit the AWIT Webpage.
                      • The post Janet Schijns: How To Become Channel Influencer of the Year in 3 Easy Steps first appeared on Channel Journeys.
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                      • Angus Robertson: Key Indicators of a Successful SaaS Channel Strategy

                        Building a successful SaaS channel can mean the difference between success or failure of your company. A great example of finding channel success out of multiple mergers and acquisitions is Recovery as a Service company, Axcient. 

                        In this episode, Angus Robertson, Axcient’s Chief Revenue Officer and Vice-Chair of the CompTIA Business Applications Advisory Council, shares how they consolidated multiple strategies into a winning strategy of going 100% through MSPs.  Angus tells how Axcient redeveloped and executed their SaaS channel strategy to create a friction-less experience for partners and customers. And he shares the key performance indicators he uses to measure their SaaS channel success. 

                        KEY TAKEAWAYS

                        Four Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) of a successful SaaS channel strategy are the LTV to CAC ratio, demand waterfall, sales velocity, and net promoter score.

                        1. LTV to CAC

                        LTV to CAC compares the Lifetime Value of your customers to your Customer Acquisition Cost. Investors look at this ratio to see if you have product market fit and how smart you are with your marketing spend. 

                        • LTV is impacted by three variables; gross margin, churn, and how much your customers spend on your service
                        • CAC is how much are you spend on sales and marketing divided by the number of new customers you acquire in a given period of time
                        • A benchmark LTV to CAC ratio is 3:1
                        • 2. Demand Waterfall

                          The Demand Waterfall is your sales funnel that traces a buyer from inquiry to close. It looks at both the quantity of leads that you can bring in and the quality of those leads.

                          • Look at impressions on social media. Impressions can be how many people see your ad or look at a post on one of your social media channels, and then how that translates into visits to your website and into leads.
                          • Categorize your leads in two different ways; a thought leadership awareness, nurture type lead, and a lead that is already in a buyer cycle or has a funded project.
                          • Build a dashboard pulling data from your marketing and sales automation tools to see the whole demand waterfall and measure your lead conversion ratios.
                          • 3. Sales Velocity

                            Sales velocity looks at how quickly leads are moving through your pipeline and how much value new customers are providing.  It’s a key sales measurement as it tells you how quickly you are making money.

                            • To calculate your sales velocity, look at your number of sales opportunities you’re working in each period, multiplied by the average deal size, and then multiply it again by the win rate, and divide that number by the length of your sales cycle.
                            • Compare your sales velocity in different sales territories, from different campaigns, or even different channels. From that you can determine which territories, campaigns, or channels are doing better than others.
                            • 4. Net Promoter Score

                              NPS, or Net Promoter Score is used to measure customer satisfaction and loyalty. It also measures your ability to create advocates or champions in your customer base or in your channel.

                              • NPS comes from the question “On a scale of 0 to 10, how likely is it that you would recommend our organization to a friend or colleague?”
                              • Based on the number your customers or partners choose, they are classified into “Detractors,” “Passives,” and “Promoters.”
                              • At NPS above 50 is excellent. Above 70 is world-class. 
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                                The key measure at the end of the day is our ability to provide that experience and that satisfaction that creates customer and partner advocates.
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                                If you're measuring churn, it's important, but it's really looking in the rear-view mirror. What you ought to be looking at are forward indicators of churn like your NPS.
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                                LINKS & RESOURCES
                                • Follow Angus on LinkedIn and Twitter.
                                • Listen to more details on CAC, LTV, and the ideal ratio
                                • Learn more about Axcient.
                                • Learn more about CompTIA and how you can get involved.
                                • The post Angus Robertson: Key Indicators of a Successful SaaS Channel Strategy first appeared on Channel Journeys.
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