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Bonus Episode: Reappearing Church with Mark Sayers


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In this episode, Jen Wilkin, JT English, and Kyle Worley are joined by pastor, writer, and cultural commentator Mark Sayers. They discuss our cultural moment, what it means for the Church, and Mark's latest book, "Reappearing Church."

Questions Covered in This Episode:

  • Where did the church go? If the church is reappearing, when did it disappear?
  • What are some things that make us anxious?
  • What is the cultural change in how people view the church and Christians?
  • How does Christian witness flourish when everyone is convinced they are an autonomous self?
  • Do you see the growing trend of younger people gravitating towards liturgical environments or traditions? Is that a reflection of the rejection of the lure of the autonomous self?
  • Is there a historical precedent that can shine a light on our present moment?
  • If you were going to give practical advice for the local church, what would be your elevator pitch church growth strategy for those of us staring into post-Christian America? 

Guest Bio:

Mark is the senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia. He is passionate about spiritual renewal and the future of the church. Mark is the author of a number of books including Strange Days and Reappearing Church. Mark lives in Melbourne with his wife, Trudi, his daughter, Grace, and twin boys, Hudson and Billy.

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

  • “The Vertical Self” by Mark Sayers
  • “The Reappearing Church” by Mark Sayers
  • “The Disappearing Church” by Mark Sayers

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In this episode, Kyle, Jen, and JT are joined by pastor, writer, and cultural commentator Mark Sayers. They discuss our cultural moment, what it means for the Church, and Mark's latest book, "Reappearing Church."

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