Tuck and Mal chat about how 2010s Brooklyn hurt Mal’s relationship to masculinity, whether reading a book would help kids understand song lyrics, and why Mal is putting “he” pronouns in timeout until you all earn them back.

Listen to the full episode on Patreon to hear discussions of Geminis vs Cancers, personal gossip, new transmasc slurs, Hatchet (1987), stolen transfeminine valor, TikTok, touring, getting physically cut out of childhood photos, and deciding how mean and messy to get in a breakup album. Plus, Tuck tells Mal a secret they’ve been holding for five years wow. 

Find Mal on tour now! Mal is also at malblum.com and ffm.bio/malblum. 

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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman Logo: Ira M. LeighMusic: Breakmaster CylinderAdditional Music: Mal Blum