He built an agency.

Then stepped out of it.

And now he’s building a holding company with the goal of hitting nine figures.

Today’s guest is Peter Kang, founder of agency holding company Barrel. He’s also the author of “Holdco: The Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs to Structure and Scale a Holding Company.”

In this episode, we unpack:

🔥 How Peter transitioned from founder-operator to holding company builder.

🔥 What the structure of a truly healthy agency looks like — from margins to management layers.

🔥 How he sources, analyses, and structures acquisition deals.

🔥 And why stepping out of day-to-day operations is the real unlock for long-term scale.

If you want to understand how to turn agencies into assets — and build a portfolio that compounds toward nine figures — this episode is for you.

Chapters:

00:00 – From agency founder to holding company builder

01:59 – The story behind writing his book

04:54 – Peter’s background and early entrepreneurial path

08:30 – Stepping away from day-to-day operations

12:42 – Why founders become the bottleneck

14:15 – Building management layers that scale

17:37 – Accountability structures inside a holding company

19:43 – Hiring externally vs promoting internally

21:32 – Managing CEO transitions after acquisitions

24:35 – What a healthy agency P&L actually looks like

30:01 – Understanding churn in agency models

34:19 – Reinvesting profits to grow agencies

38:36 – Lead generation channels that work

41:28 – Building partnerships with other agencies

45:08 – Diversifying channels vs staying focused

47:06 – Why some agencies decentralize marketing

48:14 – Value-based pricing strategies

53:31 – The airline pricing analogy

55:40 – Single-service vs full-service agency models

59:46 – Acquisition strategies in the eCommerce space

01:03:14 – Preparing agency portfolios for the AI shift

01:05:22 – Why Peter moved from startups to acquisitions

01:08:56 – How he sources and evaluates acquisition deals

01:12:15 – Red flags that kill acquisition deals

01:15:03 – The thought process behind structuring deals

01:18:11 – Advice for agency founders who want to exit

01:21:32 – Scaling toward a nine-figure vision

01:24:47 – The role of mission and values

01:27:03 – The best way founders should reinvest in themselves

He turned a simple SEO service into a $70 million business.

And rebuilt the agency model into something that actually scales.

Today’s guest is Joe Davies — founder of FatJoe, a productized SEO platform doing $15 million a year, trusted by thousands of agencies and in-house teams around the world.

In this episode, we unpack:

🔥 Why Joe stopped thinking like an agency — and rebuilt FatJoe as an e-com store selling digital products.

🔥 Why FatJoe chose to serve agencies instead of end clients — and how that unlocked cleaner margins and simpler delivery.

🔥 How selling units of work (not retainers or consulting) made costs predictable and operations scalable.

🔥 And how a no-sales-call, no-negotiation checkout still drives 70%+ repeat monthly customers.

If you want to understand how to turn services into a scalable, defensible platform — without bloated teams or constant client management — this episode is for you.

Chapters:

00:00 - Building a $70M SEO marketplace

02:05 - Origin of the name "Fat Joe"

03:25 - From agency chaos to eCommerce marketplace

06:35 - Productising services for predictable margins

09:00 - Why traditional SEO agencies break

11:21 - Agency vs in-house: which actually wins?

12:51 - Protecting margins while scaling

15:16 - Building systems that create consistent delivery

18:18 - Productisation without sacrificing customer experience

23:18 - Why most brands misunderstand backlinks

25:42 - Revenue streams and upsells that increase LTV

29:45 - How Fat Joe is structured to scale

33:30 - Managing a large team without losing control

35:10 - Hiring operators, not just marketers

40:40 - The sales engine behind predictable growth

44:09 - Anatomy of a high-converting sales call

47:57 - Lead generation channels that actually work

50:47 - Events as a brand-building strategy

52:45 - Advertising success and Google Ads strategy

55:50 - Pricing strategy and increasing LTV

58:41 - Creating a chrome extension for SEO

01:00:52 - Leadership roles and responsibilities

01:02:48 - What Joe actually works on day-to-day

01:05:43 - When to double down vs pivot

01:07:29 - The metrics that determine real success

01:10:24 - Marketplace economics explained

01:11:51 - The future of SEO in an AI world

In under two years, today’s guest built a GoHighLevel SaaS from zero to $200,000 a month in recurring revenue by selling low-ticket systems to contractors at scale.

Today’s guest is Kai Stone — founder of Stone Systems, one of the fastest-growing GoHighLevel businesses in the space.

In this episode, we unpack:

🔥 How Kai went from broke, living at home, to building a $200k-a-month SaaS in under two years.

🔥 The $297/month entry offer that unlocked volume, retention, and predictable recurring revenue.

🔥 How he uses raw, polarising ads to acquire customers profitably at scale — when everyone else said it wouldn’t work.

🔥 Why text beats email for small businesses — and how automation, speed, and simplicity drive retention.

If you want to understand how to build a low-ticket, high-volume SaaS — without hype, fake gurus, or bloated teams — this episode is for you.

He went from building his own Amazon brand to scaling an eight-figure Amazon agency without trapping himself in the business.

Today’s guest is Mina Elias — founder of Trivium, one of the fastest-growing Amazon agencies in the world.

In this episode, we unpack:

🔥 Mina’s journey from an engineering background to Amazon operator, then agency founder.

🔥 How Trivium actually scaled — what broke, what had to change, and where founders usually get stuck.

🔥 How he removed himself from client work and day-to-day execution without losing performance.

If you want to understand what it really takes to build and scale an agency — without burning out or becoming the bottleneck — this episode is for you.

Chapters: