The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

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Kyle’s Spotify Playlists:

Gospel Favorites: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3skpbZ2neM3yA2RMwH6WcH?si=6OEgSCpQTmOwBslYTKEPEw

Real Rap: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3bLIUjAcgoyiJ2Oc8TKquc?si=mkrzgXlsTIOc3TfYx5gt0Q

Check out the podcasts mentioned in this episode:

The World and Everything In It: https://open.spotify.com/show/0t7yzWd8mjHt6GVd73vEox?si=0mJImlmjQ9qAX42o85VrvQ&nd=1&dlsi=ef32a53e3e714c21

Real Cool History for Kids: https://open.spotify.com/show/4mMqNlendGAIoEXTedc3yh?si=FnklFXiCQk2NuMiAjBnURw&nd=1&dlsi=a8295f22208344bd

The Deep Thoughts Podcast with Matt Shantz: https://open.spotify.com/show/6zzvnJtNCoObelk2J2iuEn?si=5eyY1izLRnWQIABdL6V0hA&nd=1&dlsi=9400c313c0a747dc

The Loonie Hour: https://open.spotify.com/show/4vA4m1d9RVo9KitszSHzN0?si=Le3U7aSWSHiKGJ66BQQRKA&nd=1&dlsi=5b97e24bc1204839

The Overcomers with Matt Chandler: https://open.spotify.com/show/2ZhecQQ3Ujz77UAwtQhOoy?si=FiTa_zL0TIKohEExI8ALdA&nd=1&dlsi=7c4710cee2e24ab0

Acquired: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Fj0XEuUQLUqoMZQdsLXqp?si=PM4SQ_SeR9C5ENnKpyX7NA&nd=1&dlsi=ebf444f4b8d34cdc

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0:00 – Christian Nationalism

4:34 – John MacArthur's Passing

9:59 – Mailbag: Pride, Shame & Identity

13:51 – Scottie Scheffler & Winning

16:34 – Podcast Recommendations

20:14 – Back Surgery?

23:44 – NRC Feedback & Church Tensions

25:09 – Deporting the Homeless?

Gary’s off this week, so I sat down with my good friend Matt Kean, pastor of a Salvation Army Church.

We talk about why he thinks half the people in church might not even be saved, what it really means to follow Jesus, and what to do when you don’t feel anything toward God anymore.

We also hit on devotions, free will, and some thoughts on Mark Carney vs. Trudeau.

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The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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Kyle and Gary delve into a wide-ranging conversation about parenting struggles, spiritual growth, church culture, and how legalism often overlooks the heart of the gospel. Kyle opens up about his upbringing in the NRC and his faith, reflecting on the difference between behavior modification and genuine heart transformation.

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The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

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*Got questions or feedback?*

Email Kyle at [email protected]

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Topics:

0:00 – Interrupting, Listening & Why We Suck at Both

5:31 – Satan Works Overtime—Do You?

11:02 – Allowance Money for Kids?

18:27 – Mail Bag: NRC & RCNA Churches?

42:02 – Do Christians Support the Death Penalty?

44:22 – The #1 Reason People are Atheists

45:32 – Milk Money, Real Estate, and Market Rants

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The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

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*Got questions or feedback?*

Email Kyle at [email protected]

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Topics:

0:00 – GÖWEIL Round Balers

2:10 – Recruiting Good Employees

7:54 – Israel 🇮🇱 & Iran 🇮🇷

14:39 – Religion VS Real Spiritual Growth

21:45 – Is Weekly Church a Must?

28:10 – Elders Preaching

30:40 – Cash Jobs & Taxes

The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

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Topics:

0:00 — Intro

1:18 — Podcast Feedback

5:13 — Stepping Down as an Elder

12:18 — Infertility: What We Learned

21:18 — Adoption: The Real Story

27:18 — Mailbag: Can I Know I’m Saved?

35:18 — Same Church, Totally Different Experience

38:18 — The Greatest Gift

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Colonel Tray Ardese flew over 250 combat missions in an F/A-18 fighter jet, earned the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, and led direct action operations with U.S. Special Forces. But today, he’s on a new mission—helping men live with clarity, faith, and purpose.

In this powerful episode, Tray opens up about what it really feels like to step out of the military, lose your identity, wrestle with grief, purpose, and his role as a coach. We talk about his Native American roots, what his faith in Jesus means to him, and why leadership isn’t about titles—it’s about service.

Tray is joining Furiously Curious Coaching as a coach to help men navigate their toughest transitions—from fatherhood to business to faith—and lead lives that truly matter.

This isn’t just another military story. It’s a conversation about redemption, resilience, and the power of showing up when it counts.

I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. –

Kyle

You can check my Coaching here: https://furiouslycurious.co/

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The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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Topics:

1:44 – Intro & Nicole Episode

5:55 – Is AI Satan’s Trojan Horse?

9:58 – Who Inherits Boomer Wealth?

14:20 – Why are Banks Scared?

18:15 – Earrings, Chains & Crucifixes

21:20 – The Mayo Joke

22:15 – Legalism

24:52 – Elon & Robots

26:45 – Dopamine & Discipline

28:07 – Coaching Promo

30:18 – Expansion of Native Reserves

Special Episode: With Nicole Van Ruitenburg!

The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

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🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

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*Got questions or feedback?*

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Topics:

0:00 – Meeting Nicole

2:40 – Living With Kyle

4:45 – ADHD at Home

6:07 – More kids after Loss

7:40 – Marriage on the Rocks?

10:40 – Serving too much?

12:20 – Dealing with Cheating

19:05 – Nicole’s Faith Story

24:20 – Off-Camera Kyle & Nicole

27:30 – Fights & Forgiveness

29:45 – Parenting Together

31:16 – Final Thoughts

Nicole's Email: [email protected]

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The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

---

🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

---

📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

https://www.facebook.com/FuriouslyCuriousShow

https://www.instagram.com/furiouslycuriousco/

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*Got questions or feedback?*

Email Kyle at [email protected]

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Topics:

0:00 – Sponsor: Furiously Curious Coaching

1:20 – You Broken? Good!!

6:30 – Coffee with Anyone: Who’s It Gonna Be?

10:00 – Calvinist or Paulist?

13:15 – The Trap of “Self-Sufficiency”

18:20 – Tithing: Gross or Net?

24:45 – Sex? How Often?

The Briefcase & The Barn is hosted by two Dutch Reformed misfits who’ve spent most of their lives in the church’s side-eye.

Kyle Van Ruitenburg is the PK and connections guy who’s been around the world (and yes—straight off the boat). Gary Baars is the money guy who’s been around just about every farm and cow.

Together, they have blunt, funny, real talk about business, life, faith, culture, and the stuff Christians usually don't talk about.

Recorded on the west coast of Canada in Chilliwack, BC.

New episodes every Wednesday at 5 am PST.

Created & produced by *The Furiously Curious Company.*

#ToGodBeTheGlory

---

🤝 *support the show here *👇

www.furiouslycurious.co/donate

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📞 *Interested in Kyle's Coaching, Recruiting, or Employment Opportunities?*

Text Kyle: 1-604-703-9045

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.furiouslycurious.co

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*Social Media:*

https://www.facebook.com/FuriouslyCuriousShow

https://www.instagram.com/furiouslycuriousco/

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*Got questions or feedback?*

Email Kyle at [email protected]

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Topics:

0:00 Serial Killer Obsession

4:30 Old vs. New Testament God

13:50 Mail Bag: Belief Without Obedience?

22:30 No Fluff Coaching Quote

24:35 Real Estate Crashing?

31:00 Bold and Humble?

34:50 Property Tax Truth

37:18 "Love Yourself"... Really?