In this conversation, Jason and Bryant Spratlin discuss the goodness of God and the journey of rethinking God's wrath as love, the impact of misinterpretation and bad theology, hearing God's voice, parenting and apologizing, choosing to love and staying connected, identity, loving the religious, imaginary prayer, the fear of being wrong, rethinking hell, apokatastasis-the restoration of all things, the pleasure of our Father, awakening to the present love reality, and Jesus as the perfect minister. The guys discuss the story of the woman caught in adultery to reveal the paradigm of union as the third option Jesus offers all of us. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of understanding God's goodness and the transformative power of grace.