we continue to be BAFFLED by the fact that some people don't like dawn. what's wrong with you??? WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO DO TO PLEASE YOU PEOPLE???

beth manages to find one thing about each potential that she likes and caroline gets a SPECIAL SURPRISE when she finds out she didn't actually finish the episode. 

so much has happened!! beth went to Podcast Convention Two, beth got engaged, beth saw mr. pointy in the (wooden) flesh, and caroline saw a badass lady on the train. oh, and also we talk about buffy. 

"never leave me" indeed! sorry we've been away for (undisclosed amount of time) but we're BACK and we are OUT OF ORDER. caroline's hard drive is kind of shot, and we may not get our original 708 back, but here's 709 while you wait! we've got andrew. we've got spike. we've got andrew and spike. what more could any of us want!! 

conversations with alive people about conversations with dead people about the indigo girls and tom hanks

wow this episode is bad! i mean, like, really bad! like, misogyny and strange editing and weird character choices bad! WHY'D YOU DO US LIKE THIS ANDREW? WHYYYY

friends stabbing friends, friends accidentally getting their friends disintegrated, friends pouring all of their identities into their romantic partners, and STILL this episode doesn't carry as much of the emotional weight as it wants to. oh well.

everyone please welcome this week's guest, a bird! their credentials are that they went to bird school, which is for birds, and are therefore incredibly qualified to speak to this episode of buffy. 

beth and caroline don't particularly care for this story line so we spend most of it talking about jack black and the johns mulaney and cusack. hope that's okay. 

it's all come down to this, folks. we've been doing this podcast for almost three years, and we've finally come to the ultimate question. the final query. the question that, were it to be answered correctly, would cause society's ruination and humanity's demise: who topped, spike or angel?