Co-host Greg Wise welcomes Kamron Kunce, CMO at RJ Young, to talk brand sponsorships, out-of-home marketing, and building trust. Kamron lays out a clear approach: shape how the brand builds trust, deliver measurable growth, and create momentum for the future. Born and raised in Nashville, he moved from agency work and the early days of social media to an omnichannel mindset: it takes 12 or more touch points, with personalized messages and strategic placement.

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He outlines RJ Young’s four pillars—office equipment and technology, managed services, managed IT solutions, and digital communication—and how a 70-year company uses out-of-home to show they’re more than print. From Interstate 40 to Blue Oval City, Titans fan activations, and Belmont University’s mall installation, Kamron connects signage, digital, venue activations, and sales pipeline tracking. He emphasizes being open but skeptical, setting expectations, capturing leads, and treating sponsorships as a long-term play. For new markets like Savannah, the plan is physical and digital billboards, personalized airport ads, and OTT/CTV around golf—intentional, localized, and built to reinforce reliability.

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Kamron Kunce is the Chief Marketing Officer at RJ Young. His remit spans marketing and customer experience roles (around 20 people), focused on shaping how the brand builds trust, delivers measurable growth, and creates momentum. A Nashville native from the “music city,” Kamron started in the agency world helping new and emerging artists establish their presence, then evolved to an omnichannel approach as algorithms and technology changed.

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• “It takes 12 or more touch points” and why an omnichannel approach matters.
• RJ Young’s four main pillars: office equipment and technology; managed services; managed IT solutions; digital communication.
• Using out-of-home to “prove we’re more than print” and show momentum in technology solutions.
• Blue Oval City example: Interstate 40 billboard — “let’s connect the city together.”
• Personalization over generic brand messages to show attribution (web traffic lift, theme uptake).
• “Be open, but skeptical”: aligning leadership with an omnichannel campaign, not “just a billboard.”
• Titans sponsorship: fan area field-goal challenge, lead capture, and the “fan van” with VR gaming headsets.
• Belmont University activation: mini court at a high-end mall, technology in the space, printing collateral, and multi-month lead capture into the CRM.
• New-market launch (Savannah): physical and digital billboards, personalized airport ads, OTT/CTV around golf tournaments to reinforce reliability.
• Tiered system for sponsorships to set expectations, track value, and focus on long-term play.

Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Brand or demand? Most marketers have wrestled with that question, and in this conversation, Charlie Riley sits down with Sara Ajemian to explore why it shouldn’t be a divide at all.

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Sara shares how storytelling, awareness, and demand must connect across the funnel — from awareness metrics to demo interest, from billboards to nurture campaigns. She explains why pre-work, shared goals, and a clear North Star allow marketers to measure success, plan campaigns, and align with sales and product teams.

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This episode unpacks how brand becomes the connective tissue across the organization, why tension and pain points drive powerful campaigns, and how marketers can confidently say “no” when ideas don’t fit the plan.

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Sara Ajemian is VP of Brand & Communications at SOCi, where she leads creative, brand, comms, PR, content marketing, and market research. A self-described t-shaped marketer with two decades of experience, her passion is storytelling — helping companies tell fun, memorable stories that connect with audiences and stand out.

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• Why brand and demand should be integrated, not divided
• How storytelling creates connective tissue from awareness through conversion
• The role of measurement in linking top-funnel engagement to demo interest
• A real-world example of competing brand and demand goals on a landing page
• How out-of-home campaigns connect to search traffic and demand attribution
• Why social proof and touchpoints like NASDAQ billboards become campaign “spokes”
• Using pain points, tension, and aha moments to drive emotional campaigns
• The importance of a North Star and guardrails to keep messaging consistent
• How planning empowers marketers to say “no” and stay aligned

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• Scrappy ABM Podcast (mentioned ad read)
• NASDAQ billboard in Times Square (example referenced)

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Welcome to Beyond the Billboard, powered by OneScreen. Charlie Riley and Greg Wise sit down with Adam Morgan to tackle the “creative marketer” stereotype and why “there’s gonna be so much AI slop.” Adam shares 30 years of lessons—from agency side to brand side—on moving beyond the “creative cave,” leading with storytelling, and building real differentiation “in the age of AI.” The conversation covers the pendulum from “every single penny had to tie to some sort of ROI” to “brand at the forefront again,” why “we’ve optimized the hell out of everything,” and how younger builders can “step up” toward head-of-marketing and even board roles. Adam breaks down Twilio’s recent brand refresh—“not like we changed the logo”—anchored in a builder ethos: “doers…get their hands dirty and build stuff.” The team digs into leadership alignment, internal marketing, and why “being safe is just doing vanilla.” The through-line: bold doesn’t have to be shock value—“human and emotional” wins.

👤 Guest Bio

Adam Morgan is VP of Brand at Twilio with “30 years” in creative leadership “since 95.” He hosts realcreativeleadership.com, a video podcast “around creative leadership,” and wrote “Sorry, Spock, Emotions Drive Business” (available on Amazon). Adam points listeners to adamwmorgan.com for articles and to connect on LinkedIn.

📌 What We Cover

• “Creative, fun folks” vs. “serious marketers,” and why “there is a path…all the way up to CMO.”
• The pendulum: “performance marketing” to “brand at the forefront again.”
• “There’s gonna be so much AI slop”—differentiation through “emotional connections with customers.”
• Twilio’s “brand refresh”: builder ethos, “not like we changed the logo,” story first, then “shapes and fonts.”
• “We’ve optimized the hell out of everything”—why squeezing “droplets” isn’t enough.
• Operational excellence vs. “customer intimacy” or “product innovation” and when “you’re kind of screwed” asking for more brand.
• Leadership alignment: assessing the CEO, “know your audience,” one-on-one conversations, then “do a test.”
• Bold ≠ shock value: “human and emotional,” “push the boundaries of comfort,” avoid “vanilla.”

🔗 Resources Mentioned

• adamwmorgan.com
• realcreativeleadership.com
• “Sorry, Spock, Emotions Drive Business” (Amazon)
• McKinsey study reference on creative leaders (mentioned)
• Market Leadership (Wema and co; referenced)
• Scrappy ABM (podcast ad mention)
• Domino’s (example)
• Microsoft
• HubSpot
• Twilio

Charlie Riley, joined by co-host Greg Wise, sits down with Jason Keath — author of More Bad Ideas and co-founder of Social Fresh. What began as a series of social media conferences has evolved into a full agency, and Jason brings a unique perspective on creativity, marketing, and the future of agencies.

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Jason shares his “bad idea methodology,” a simple process of writing down 25 obvious or absurd ideas in ten minutes to unlock creativity and get unstuck. The conversation covers the cyclical nature of marketing, the rise of creator-led brands, the balance between performance and creativity, and how constraints can fuel innovation.

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From Spotify’s iconic “Thanks 2016, it’s been weird” campaign to Reddit’s six-second Super Bowl ad, Jason highlights bold, surprising work that stood out because teams questioned norms. He also reflects on the evolution of Social Fresh, the impact of AI on agencies, and why a human-in-the-loop will remain essential for creative excellence.

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Jason Keath is the co-founder of Social Fresh and the author of More Bad Ideas. Starting in the agency world as a creative, Jason went on to lead social strategy before launching Social Fresh in 2008 as a conference series. Over time, it grew into a full agency with a focus on audience-centered strategy and creative innovation. Jason also curates insights through his newsletter and develops tools for marketers, including AI prompts for creativity.

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• The “bad idea methodology” as a repeatable shortcut to creativity
• Why obvious and absurd ideas broaden thinking and spark novelty
• Cyclical patterns in marketing and the tension between safe and bold work
• The rise of creator-led brands, influencer marketing, and short-form video
• Balancing creativity with performance measurement in campaigns
• Audience-centered strategy and using research to shape messaging across channels
• Examples of bold creative campaigns, including Spotify and Reddit
• How questioning constraints opens new possibilities for marketers
• The evolution of Social Fresh from 2008 conferences to today’s agency model
• The role of AI in marketing and why human tastemakers remain essential

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• Jason’s book: More Bad Ideas (available via MoreBadIdeas.com)
• Social Fresh (agency and conference)
• Spotify “Thanks 2016, it’s been weird” campaign
• Reddit six-second Super Bowl ad

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

When campaigns launch, landing pages often come last on the list. But what happens if you flip the process? In this conversation, Charlie Riley welcomes Tas Bober, founder of The Scroll Lab and a landing page expert who’s worked on hundreds of B2B SaaS sites.

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Tas explains why the landing page should be the hub of any campaign—whether it’s digital ads or out-of-home placements—and how simplifying copy can create clarity, spark curiosity, and ultimately drive conversions. From reframing background check software messaging to the importance of “eyebrow copy,” this discussion highlights how to cut through noise, ditch buzzwords, and ensure your landing page and ad creative actually align.

Expect sharp, funny, and practical insights designed to keep marketers on their toes.

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Tas Bober is the founder and president of The Scroll Lab, where she helps brands build landing pages that actually convert. With a background leading digital and website teams, she has optimized 400+ websites and now specializes in paid ads landing pages for B2B SaaS. She also co-hosts the Notorious B2B podcast.

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• Why landing pages should come before ad creative and campaign planning
• The pitfalls of treating landing pages as an afterthought
• Out-of-home best practices, from seven-word billboards to contextual airport ads
• Examples of clear vs. buzzword-heavy messaging that either lands or misses
• How to create ad variations from one strong landing page
• The role of vanity URLs, clarity, and audience context in OOH campaigns
• Using research and buyer journeys to guide landing page structure
• Simple, high-impact edits to improve any landing page—starting with copy
• The underrated power of “eyebrow copy” for clarity and organization

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• The Scroll Lab
• Scrappy ABM Podcast
• Tas Bober on LinkedIn
• Charlie Riley on LinkedIn

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Brand marketing isn’t just a channel—it’s the moat. In this conversation, Charlie Riley sits down with Madhav Bhandari, Head of Marketing at Storylane, to unpack how a fast-growing demo automation platform built more than half its pipeline from brand alone.

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Madhav shares how Storylane moved from 12 to 40 annual events, leaned into the “95-5 rule,” and made real-world activations a core strategy. From mobile billboard trucks outside Exit Five to QR-coded demos that travel home in your pocket, he reveals how to measure brand in direct and indirect ways—and why breaking patterns at smaller events pays off.

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You’ll hear exactly how brand drives Storylane’s influence in communities, ease of recruiting, inbound booth traffic, and even multithreaded enterprise deals where attribution is complex. If you’ve been questioning how to prove brand’s ROI, this episode delivers real examples, metrics, and ideas you can put into play.

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Madhav Bhandari is the Head of Marketing at Storylane, an AI-native demo automation platform in a rapidly expanding category. Focused on building influencer programs, scaling event presence from a dozen to 40+ conferences, and driving over half of the company’s revenue from brand, Madhav blends data-driven measurement with creative, pattern-breaking activations.

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• The 95-5 rule and why Storylane targets the untouched 95% of the market
• Moving from 12 to 40+ annual events and the shift toward smaller, high-impact gatherings
• Out-of-home and event activations: from mobile billboard trucks to interactive QR code demos
• How to measure brand with demo form “How did you hear about us?” fields, brand search data, and sales call transcripts
• The compounding benefits of brand: easier recruiting, influencer partnerships, and inbound traffic
• Examples of unconventional event plays, including Exit Five’s mobile billboard and Freshworks’ “Fails Force” balloon at Dreamforce
• Why brand is the real moat in categories where 80% of features are the same
• Breaking patterns to capture 100% of an event audience without a traditional booth

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• Storylane
• Exit Five
• Freshworks
• Dreamforce

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Marketing teams are struggling to stand out in a world where old playbooks no longer deliver. In this episode, Charlie Riley and Greg Wise talk with David Kirkdorffer about the urgent shift marketers face as large language models become a new venue for brand discoverability. David shares why he believes AI visibility is the next frontier, how out-of-home advertising influences brand recall, and why the line between demand generation and brand marketing continues to blur. From the challenges of reducing digital noise to the power of consistent storytelling across every touchpoint, this conversation explores how marketers can prepare today to win tomorrow.

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David Kirkdorffer is a Boston-based B2B marketing consultant with decades of experience driving demand generation and brand visibility. Having worked with 23 startups and 5 public companies, he focuses on helping technology businesses prepare for the future of buyer enablement. David advises CMOs on increasing their brand’s presence within large language models such as ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Copilot, and Perplexity — a new battleground for discoverability.

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• Why large language models are the new discoverability venue for brands
• How buyer enablement reshapes the marketing approach to long sales cycles
• The growing challenge of reducing digital noise while increasing visibility
• Why brand marketing and demand generation are merging into a single effort
• How out-of-home advertising drives subconscious recall and measurable impact
• Strategies for telling a consistent brand story across every touchpoint
• Measuring success: tying out-of-home efforts to ROI, pipeline, and branded search
• The importance of context and environment in how audiences receive messages

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• Scrappy ABM Podcast
• Large language models referenced: ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Copilot, Perplexity

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Greg Wise and Charlie Riley welcome Pranav Piyush, CEO of Paramark, for a brutally honest conversation about marketing measurement, attribution myths, and why most dashboards should be deleted.

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Drawing from experience at Dropbox, Pilot, Magento, and Bill, Pranav outlines what’s broken in traditional analytics—and why a statistical foundation is non-negotiable for modern marketing leaders. From “dashboard theater” to why 80% of campaigns fail (and why that’s normal), this episode is a wake-up call for anyone still defaulting to vanity metrics.

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The trio also breaks down why out-of-home marketing fails without creative boldness, why most branded search ads are a waste, and how Paramark is redefining incrementality and measurement through statistical modeling and experimentation. Packed with hot takes, hard truths, and tactical advice—this one’s a must-listen for any CMO under pressure to prove value.

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Pranav Piyush is the CEO and founder of Paramark, a marketing measurement platform built for CFOs and CMOs who demand statistical rigor. With a background in growing teams at Dropbox, Pilot, Magento, and Bill, he’s now focused on solving one of marketing’s most persistent problems: valid, causal measurement across every channel—including out-of-home and podcasts.

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• Why “90% of attribution tech is theater” and most dashboards can be deleted without business impact
• The skill gap in marketing leadership: “You can’t learn statistics from ChatGPT”
• A scientific framework for testing: marketing mix modeling vs. incrementality testing
• Why many startups ruin out-of-home by doing it wrong the first time
• What makes campaigns like Canva’s outdoor strategy succeed where others fail
• How marketers can protect bold creative ideas from short-term performance pressure
• Why CMOs must educate the C-suite that “80% of what I do will fail”
• The right way to test billboard effectiveness across markets
• How Paramark helps marketers isolate true channel performance without replacing their team

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• Paramark Office Hours
• Canva’s out-of-home campaign (discussed, no link provided)
• Shanik Patel (former Grammarly growth lead, no link provided)

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Is your brand ready for the holiday season—or stuck in the same old cycle?

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In this episode, Charlie Riley and Greg Wise sit down with Jennie Kaylie, CEO of Rock the Brands, to explore the shifting dynamics of DTC branding, where even the most performance-driven marketers are now investing in sonic logos, creator partnerships, and emotional value.

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Jennie breaks down why today’s consumers expect authenticity over polish, what makes creators more trusted than brands, and how long-term loyalty—not short-term ROAS—defines success. The conversation covers how out-of-home can seed digital campaigns, why most brands live in a bubble, and why your team might need to hit autopilot just to make Q4 count.

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If your marketing still thinks like it’s 2019, this episode will challenge your entire playbook.

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Jennie Kaylie is the CEO of Rock the Brands, a branding agency focused on helping DTC brands grow through strategy, marketing, customer experience, and innovation. A self-described brand “Swiss Army knife,” Jennie has worked with companies including Wayfair, PwC, Suntory, and Edelman. She brings deep expertise in brand strategy, creative direction, and building emotional value in a crowded market.

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• Why performance marketers are embracing brand-building tools like creator partnerships and sonic logos
• How Gen Z and millennials trust creators more than brands—and what that means for strategy
• The difference between polished vs. native content in modern brand storytelling
• Out-of-home as a driver for digital retargeting and campaign amplification
• Why emotional marketing and functional marketing must be balanced
• The “magic brandformance formula” that blends awareness with action
• Planning for Q4: earlier timelines, limited inventory, and smarter holiday messaging
• Why brand marketing needs to prioritize LTV over short-term performance metrics
• What most brands get wrong about awareness, and how to avoid “Blockbuster syndrome”
• How creative testing, speed, and cultural timing win in the modern DTC landscape

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• Rock the Brands
• Jennie Kaylie on LinkedIn
• Glossier subway campaign with digital retargeting
• Spotify Wrapped outdoor campaign
• Brand measurement platforms: Yuca, Google Brand Lift, Meta Brand Lift

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.

Charlie Riley and Greg Wise sit down with Jonathan Gandolf, co-founder of The Juice and CEO of AudiencePlus, to rethink how B2B marketers allocate their chips. They challenge the “publish five blog posts or else” mindset and argue for “one really good blog post” paired with a laser-focused distribution strategy. From blending digital content with out-of-home tactics to measuring investments in terms of leads and pipeline, Jonathan calls on marketers to earn internal trust—and trust their own instincts—while shifting resources to winning plays.

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👤 Guest Bio

Jonathan Gandolf is Co-Founder & CEO of AudiencePlus, a B2B content platform that helps brands publish content, distribute content, and convert from the content their teams are already creating. Formerly The Juice, AudiencePlus bridges creative storytelling with data-driven distribution. Connect with Jonathan on LinkedIn.

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📌 What We Cover

• Why “promotion versus production” matters more than pumping out volume
• How “one really good blog post and distribute it really well” trumps five average posts
• The untapped value of out-of-home advertising for B2B buyers “still driving home from work”
• Shifting your “chips” to marketing bets that deliver increasing returns
• Translating website traffic and dwell time into leads, pipeline, and spend
• Earning trust internally—sales, executive team, even the board—by speaking in their language
• Balancing brand creativity with measurable ROI without over-indexing on every metric
• Trusting your gut instincts when lived experience “doesn’t fit in a spreadsheet”

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🔗 Resources Mentioned

• AudiencePlus – B2B content platform: publish, distribute, convert
• The Juice – Co-founded by Jonathan Gandolf
• One Screen – Out-of-home partner, powering this podcast
• Jonathan Gandolf, LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-gandolf/

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Low-Tech, High-Impact Account-Based Marketing

If you’re ready to trade expensive, tech-heavy account-based marketing for a repeatable, revenue-driving ABM program, check out Scrappy ABM. Led by a team of Scrappy ABM experts, they specialize in low-budget plays and programs that deliver high impact—no shiny tools required. Scrappy ABM has built account-based programs that have delivered millions in revenue, and you can build your first successful ABM program with their help.

Start with a pilot program or launch an account-based podcast. Learn more at scrappyabm.com. Let's get scrappy.