Recognizing our shared humanity, approaching Christian nationalists in love, ethnic erasure, navigating fear, violence, and the political and religious divide, personal transformation and hospitality, finding heaven's solution to the immigration problem, shifting towards unity and compassion, creating language to communicate better alternatives, navigating potentially caustic interactions with leaders in the evangelical world, the influence of money and power in American Christian nationalism, the church growth model of American Christian nationalism, the exhaustion of maintaining a divisive posture, and seeing the manifold wisdom of God in all people, in this conversation Caleb Campbell shares with Dubb Alexander and Jason about his forthcoming book, Disarming Leviathan.

For more on Caleb Campbell

Substack: www.rcnc.substack.com

Website: www.disarmingleviathan.com

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