The Herle Burly

Campaigning While Governing with The Chiefs: Brodie, Murphy and Topp


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The Herle Burly was created by Air Quotes Media with support from our presenting sponsor TELUS, as well as CN Rail.

Alright, you curiouser and curiouser Herle Burly-ites! We assembled The Chiefs for a timely pod to discuss campaigning while governing! 

Typically with The Chiefs, we discuss issues from the perspective of people who think about them NOT as campaigners do, i.e. what might be ideal in a political sense, but rather, what’s possible to deliver in a governing sense.

But because these guys are 3 of the best political minds in the country, and we’re right in the middle of Campaign 45, I want to change it up a bit. We’ll spend about half our time today talking about how each of them would be advising the various campaigns given the current state of play. And then, for Part 2, I want to cover how they’d deal with managing a PMO or leader’s office in a campaign like this one with actual news in it, i.e. Trump. How do you function juggling campaigning and daily governing in challenging times? What’s the relationship with the bureaucracy?

You know them, three former Chiefs of Staff to some of Canada’s most accomplished heads of government:

Ian Brodie – first Chief of Staff to Stephen Harper, and central to the founding of the CPC. Now … Professor of Political Science at the University of Calgary.

Tim Murphy
– former Chief of Staff to Paul Martin. Now ...  the newly installed EVP and Chief Strategic Affairs Officer at AECON.

Brian Topp
– former Chief of Staff to Rachel Notley in Alberta, Deputy Chief to Roy Romanow in Saskatchewan, one of the architects of Jack Layton’s Orange Wave. Now ... he’s a founding partner at GT&co.

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