Congress banned most surprise medical bills back in 2020, with one major exception: ambulance rides. Most people agree that patients should be shielded from these unexpected charges. But who should pick up the tab instead? As state and federal policymakers grapple with that question, we delve into why finding a fair solution is harder than you’d think.

Guests:

Tara Bannow, Reporter, STAT

Precious Mae Clark, patient

Dia Gainor, Executive Director, National Association of State EMS Officials

Zach Gaumer, Principal, Health Management Associates

James Gelfand, JD President and CEO, ERISA Industry Committee

Bob Herman, Reporter, STAT

Pete Lawrence, Deputy Chief, Oceanside Fire

Butch Oberhoff, President, Texas EMS Alliance

Leslie Walker, Senior Reporter/Producer, Tradeoffs

Matt Zavadsky, At-Large Director, National Association of EMTs

To learn more, read a full transcript on our website and check out our reporting partner STAT's story, too.

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