In this episode of If Not For God, host Mike Zwick sits down with Stephen Black, founder of the discipleship ministry Coram Deo and author of Freedom Realized. Stephen shares his personal testimony of leaving the gay lifestyle after coming to faith in 1983 and discusses his decades of experience in pastoral care. The conversation tackles complex and controversial topics, including the closure of Exodus International, the ideological shift toward "hypergrace," and the cultural impact of Pride Month and DEI initiatives on children. Together, they explore the biblical call to sexual integrity and what it means to find true transformation and identity in Christ.