How do you convict a killer with no DNA, no fingerprints and no weapon?In 2005, 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn was murdered and buried in a shallow grave beside the Coquihalla River near Hope, BC. Two men confessed to undercover police: Jesse Blue West and his son, Dustin Moir. But the confessions didn’t match. Once the case reached court, each man told a new story in which the other was the killer and he was only the one who helped bury her.In Part 2, I break down how the Crown proved murder using almost nothing but the killers’ own words. The evidence includes a borrowed shovel, four secret details only the killers could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and a recorded conversation in the back of a sheriff’s van where the father told his son, “It wasn’t all me.”You’ll hear how a joint trial fell apart 8 weeks in, and why a jury’s murder conviction was overturned on appeal. You’ll also hear how the Supreme Court of Canada’s ruling in R. v. Hart changed the rules for Mr. Big investigations in the middle of the case, which forced the Crown to fight for the son’s confession all over again.Along the way, I explain in plain language what makes a murder first-degree, how the law separates a murderer from an accessory after the fact, and how judges decide whether to believe someone who takes the stand.It took three trials and more than a decade to get there.Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. Part 2 sources: R. v. West, 2013 BCSC 132 (CanLII), Reasons for Judgment of Justice W.G. Grist; R. v. West, 2015 BCCA 379 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCCA 36 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1696 (CanLII) (bail); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1750 (CanLII) (change of venue); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 386 (CanLII) (expert evidence ruling); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 1720 (CanLII) (admissibility of Mr. Big confession); R. v. Moir, 2017 BCSC 1006 (CanLII) (admissibility of telephone call); Global News, "Father of convicted killer also found guilty in murder of Chelsey Acorn" (January 21, 2013); Abbotsford News, "Dustin Moir convicted at second trial for Chelsey Acorn murder" (2017). The identities of the undercover officers are protected by a publication ban under s. 486.5 of the Criminal Code.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

How do you convict a killer with no DNA, no fingerprints and no weapon? In 2005, 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn was murdered and buried in a shallow grave beside the Coquihalla River near Hope, BC. Two men confessed to undercover police: Jesse Blue West and his son, Dustin Moir. But the confessions didn’t match. Once the case reached court, each man told a new story in which the other was the killer and he was only the one who helped bury her. In Part 2, I break down how the Crown proved murder using almost nothing but the killers’ own words. The evidence includes a borrowed shovel, four secret details only the killers could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and a recorded conversation in the back of a sheriff’s van where the father told his son, “It wasn’t all me.” You’ll hear how a joint trial fell apart 8 weeks in, and why a jury’s murder conviction was overturned on appeal. You’ll also hear how the Supreme Court of Canada’s ruling in R. v. Hart changed the rules for Mr. Big investigations in the middle of the case, which forced the Crown to fight for the son’s confession all over again. Along the way, I explain in plain language what makes a murder first-degree, how the law separates a murderer from an accessory after the fact, and how judges decide whether to believe someone who takes the stand. It took three trials and more than a decade to get there. Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. Part 2 sources: R. v. West, 2013 BCSC 132 (CanLII), Reasons for Judgment of Justice W.G. Grist; R. v. West, 2015 BCCA 379 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCCA 36 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1696 (CanLII) (bail); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1750 (CanLII) (change of venue); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 386 (CanLII) (expert evidence ruling); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 1720 (CanLII) (admissibility of Mr. Big confession); R. v. Moir, 2017 BCSC 1006 (CanLII) (admissibility of telephone call); Global News, "Father of convicted killer also found guilty in murder of Chelsey Acorn" (January 21, 2013); Abbotsford News, "Dustin Moir convicted at second trial for Chelsey Acorn murder" (2017). The identities of the undercover officers are protected by a publication ban under s. 486.5 of the Criminal Code. Send us Fan Mail www.canadiancrimecast.com

How do you convict a killer with no DNA, no fingerprints and no weapon?In 2005, 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn was murdered and buried in a shallow grave beside the Coquihalla River near Hope, BC. Two men confessed to undercover police: Jesse Blue West and his son, Dustin Moir. But the confessions didn’t match. Once the case reached court, each man told a new story in which the other was the killer and he was only the one who helped bury her.In Part 2, I break down how the Crown proved murder using almost nothing but the killers’ own words. The evidence includes a borrowed shovel, four secret details only the killers could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and a recorded conversation in the back of a sheriff’s van where the father told his son, “It wasn’t all me.”You’ll hear how a joint trial fell apart 8 weeks in, and why a jury’s murder conviction was overturned on appeal. You’ll also hear how the Supreme Court of Canada’s ruling in R. v. Hart changed the rules for Mr. Big investigations in the middle of the case, which forced the Crown to fight for the son’s confession all over again.Along the way, I explain in plain language what makes a murder first-degree, how the law separates a murderer from an accessory after the fact, and how judges decide whether to believe someone who takes the stand.It took three trials and more than a decade to get there.Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. Part 2 sources: R. v. West, 2013 BCSC 132 (CanLII), Reasons for Judgment of Justice W.G. Grist; R. v. West, 2015 BCCA 379 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCCA 36 (CanLII); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1696 (CanLII) (bail); R. v. Moir, 2013 BCSC 1750 (CanLII) (change of venue); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 386 (CanLII) (expert evidence ruling); R. v. Moir, 2016 BCSC 1720 (CanLII) (admissibility of Mr. Big confession); R. v. Moir, 2017 BCSC 1006 (CanLII) (admissibility of telephone call); Global News, "Father of convicted killer also found guilty in murder of Chelsey Acorn" (January 21, 2013); Abbotsford News, "Dustin Moir convicted at second trial for Chelsey Acorn murder" (2017). The identities of the undercover officers are protected by a publication ban under s. 486.5 of the Criminal Code.<a href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new" rel="noopener noreferrer">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

Part 2 - Father, Son and Mr. Big - The murder of Chelsey Acorn

Part 1 of 2 In April 2006, hikers on a trail off the Coquihalla Highway near Hope, BC, poked a stick into a pile of river rocks and found bone. Under the rocks was 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn, a girl in provincial care who had walked out of her last foster home 10 months earlier carrying a Winnie the Pooh backpack. She was buried with no clothes and no jewellery, and nothing to say who she was.There were no witnesses, no DNA and no weapon. There were only a phone bill, a Safeway receipt, and two men who had been seen with her: a man in his 50s who called himself "Blue," and his son.So the RCMP built a criminal organization that didn't exist and invited both of them to join. Over months of fake jobs, cash and hotel rooms, father and son were each brought before a "crime boss" who was actually a police officer. Each of them confessed. But their stories didn't match.I  takesyou inside the investigation and the two Mr. Big undercover operations that cracked it. You'll hear the 4 secret details only the killer could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and the moment a 21-year-old looked at a crime boss and said, "I did that."Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

Part 1 of 2 In April 2006, hikers on a trail off the Coquihalla Highway near Hope, BC, poked a stick into a pile of river rocks and found bone. Under the rocks was 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn, a girl in provincial care who had walked out of her last foster home 10 months earlier carrying a Winnie the Pooh backpack. She was buried with no clothes and no jewellery, and nothing to say who she was. There were no witnesses, no DNA and no weapon. There were only a phone bill, a Safeway receipt, and two men who had been seen with her: a man in his 50s who called himself "Blue," and his son. So the RCMP built a criminal organization that didn't exist and invited both of them to join. Over months of fake jobs, cash and hotel rooms, father and son were each brought before a "crime boss" who was actually a police officer. Each of them confessed. But their stories didn't match. I takesyou inside the investigation and the two Mr. Big undercover operations that cracked it. You'll hear the 4 secret details only the killer could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and the moment a 21-year-old looked at a crime boss and said, "I did that." Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. Send us Fan Mail www.canadiancrimecast.com

Part 1 of 2 In April 2006, hikers on a trail off the Coquihalla Highway near Hope, BC, poked a stick into a pile of river rocks and found bone. Under the rocks was 14-year-old Chelsey Acorn, a girl in provincial care who had walked out of her last foster home 10 months earlier carrying a Winnie the Pooh backpack. She was buried with no clothes and no jewellery, and nothing to say who she was.There were no witnesses, no DNA and no weapon. There were only a phone bill, a Safeway receipt, and two men who had been seen with her: a man in his 50s who called himself "Blue," and his son.So the RCMP built a criminal organization that didn't exist and invited both of them to join. Over months of fake jobs, cash and hotel rooms, father and son were each brought before a "crime boss" who was actually a police officer. Each of them confessed. But their stories didn't match.I&nbsp; takesyou inside the investigation and the two Mr. Big undercover operations that cracked it. You'll hear the 4 secret details only the killer could know, a newspaper clipping hidden in a safe, and the moment a 21-year-old looked at a crime boss and said, "I did that."Content warning: this episode discusses the murder of a child and the sexual exploitation of youth. <a href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new" rel="noopener noreferrer">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

Part 1 - Father, Son and Mr. Big - The murder of Chelsey Acorn

It's 3:13 in the afternoon on March 11, 2022.  A security camera on Victoria Street in downtown Kamloops, British Columbia captures a man walking along the sidewalk. He's wearing a green hooded jacket, a jade-coloured toque, and heavy hiking boots. Slung over one shoulder is a brown leather satchel. In his right hand, a black cloth shopping bag. He is not rushing. His pace is described later, by the judge who reviewed the footage, as a stroll. He is early for his appointment with his friend and lawyer and taking his time.He looks down at the watch on his left wrist.He walks out of the camera's frame.That is the last image ever captured of Mohd Abdullah alive.What happened next, in a fire-damaged law office on Victoria Street, was not a sudden argument that got out of hand. It was not a crime of passion. It was not an accident.It was a plan. Written on a cue card. With tools bought from a Home Depot. And the with the help of two unsuspecting people.I'm Ryan, and this is Canadian CrimeCast — Coast to Coast True Crime. This is one of the most meticulously documented murder cases in recent British Columbia history, and justice got every detail right.  This is the murder of Mohd Abdullah.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

It's 3:13 in the afternoon on March 11, 2022. A security camera on Victoria Street in downtown Kamloops, British Columbia captures a man walking along the sidewalk. He's wearing a green hooded jacket, a jade-coloured toque, and heavy hiking boots. Slung over one shoulder is a brown leather satchel. In his right hand, a black cloth shopping bag. He is not rushing. His pace is described later, by the judge who reviewed the footage, as a stroll. He is early for his appointment with his friend and lawyer and taking his time. He looks down at the watch on his left wrist. He walks out of the camera's frame. That is the last image ever captured of Mohd Abdullah alive. What happened next, in a fire-damaged law office on Victoria Street, was not a sudden argument that got out of hand. It was not a crime of passion. It was not an accident. It was a plan. Written on a cue card. With tools bought from a Home Depot. And the with the help of two unsuspecting people. I'm Ryan, and this is Canadian CrimeCast — Coast to Coast True Crime. This is one of the most meticulously documented murder cases in recent British Columbia history, and justice got every detail right. This is the murder of Mohd Abdullah. Send us Fan Mail www.canadiancrimecast.com

It's 3:13 in the afternoon on March 11, 2022. &nbsp;A security camera on Victoria Street in downtown Kamloops, British Columbia captures a man walking along the sidewalk. He's wearing a green hooded jacket, a jade-coloured toque, and heavy hiking boots. Slung over one shoulder is a brown leather satchel. In his right hand, a black cloth shopping bag. He is not rushing. His pace is described later, by the judge who reviewed the footage, as a stroll. He is early for his appointment with his friend and lawyer and taking his time.He looks down at the watch on his left wrist.He walks out of the camera's frame.That is the last image ever captured of Mohd Abdullah alive.What happened next, in a fire-damaged law office on Victoria Street, was not a sudden argument that got out of hand. It was not a crime of passion. It was not an accident.It was a plan. Written on a cue card. With tools bought from a Home Depot. And the with the help of two unsuspecting people.I'm Ryan, and this is Canadian CrimeCast — Coast to Coast True Crime.&nbsp;This is one of the most meticulously documented murder cases in recent British Columbia history, and justice got every detail right.&nbsp; This is the murder of Mohd Abdullah.<a href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2606437/fan_mail/new" rel="noopener noreferrer">Send us Fan Mail</a>www.canadiancrimecast.com

When the Lawyer Is the Criminal: The Butch Bagabuyo Murder Case

I tell you the details and the story for interesting crimes from across Canada, with insights that only a retired RCMP officer can provide.&nbsp; Finally, a Canadian true crime podcast that is interesting on more than one level. My podcasts are the best version of true crime, where you get the juicy details of the story, but also an understanding of what was happening in the minds of police investigators as they're working the case, and how certain pieces of evidence can solve the case.&nbsp; I also do my best to paint a picture of the&nbsp; day or life of the unsuspecting victim. &nbsp; Just don't listen to a story of what happened, try and feel what it felt like for those involved.

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I tell you the details and the story for interesting crimes from across Canada, with insights that only a retired RCMP officer can provide.  Finally, a Canadian true crime podcast that is interesting on more than one level. My podcasts are the best version of true crime, where you get the juicy details of the story, but also an understanding of what was happening in the minds of police investigators as they're working the case, and how certain pieces of evidence can solve the case.  I also do my best to paint a picture of the  day or life of the unsuspecting victim.   Just don't listen to a story of what happened, try and feel what it felt like for those involved.

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