In this episode, ICA CEO Eric Wulf sits down with economist Alex Chausovsky, Director of Analytics at The Bundy Group - a business intelligence and analytics firm that helps organizations anticipate change, manage risk, and identify opportunity through data-driven insights, for a clear-eyed look at the U.S. economy and what business leaders should be paying attention to right now. Alex breaks down today’s uneven economic reality through the lens of a K-shaped economy, where growth, opportunity, and pressure are not being felt equally across industries or income groups.

The conversation explores how industrial and consumer sectors are diverging, why spending remains resilient despite inflation fatigue, and what jobs data, consumer debt, housing, and interest rates reveal about where the economy may be headed. From AI-driven infrastructure investment to the challenges facing younger workers and middle-income households, Alex helps translate complex data into practical insights for operators, investors, and leaders trying to make informed decisions in a highly uncertain environment.

(:40) How is the US Economy doing right now? Alex breaks this into two parts and talks about a      K-shaped economy.

(4:45) Jobs, debt and wages. Alex weighs in on each of these, where things are right now and how they could affect future spending. Alex quotes the Consumer Spending Panel Report and the K-Shaped economy.

(12:55) Eric asked about job concerns for recent graduates and their concerns about entering the job market.

(16:12) What other consumer events and choices might influence on spending…such as mortgages. (70% are on ARM’s right now). Also learn about the Fed’s different interest rates and how they influence the economy.

(20:55) Eric asks if the economy is currently building toward growth.

In this episode, ICA SVP of Growth Kendra Johnson sits down with Kyle Doyle, Vice President at Salespath, to discuss what separates high-performing frontline sales teams from those that struggle—especially in the car wash industry. Salespath is a sales enablement and coaching platform built specifically for frontline teams, integrating point-of-sale data, performance tracking, and AI-powered coaching tools to help operators improve consistency, accountability, and conversion rates at the site level.

Kyle shares how simple, repeatable sales scripts, consistent coaching, and data-driven insights create muscle memory for frontline employees, reduce sales fatigue, and improve the customer experience. The conversation explores the critical role of site managers in reinforcing best practices, how small behavioral improvements compound over time, and why even modest gains in conversion rates can drive meaningful revenue growth.

(1:40) Kyle talks about the indicators he’s seeing in the marketplace that identifies the difference between the high and lower performers. Scripts and practice sessions are key. Let’s also talk about muscle memory!

(5:20) What are the four important components of a good script? Warm greeting, explain value, validate, make the offer.

(7:46) Learn how to validate customer choices.

(8:50) Kyle explains coaching and what it looks like for the operator and site managers.

(13:00) Learn about how to hold weekly sales meetings and how make them effective.

(16:10) Kyle explains how consistent practice of small behaviors compound and have great results.

(16:57) Learn the 36-month value of a member vs. the value of a retain customer and the difference that small conversion rates can make.

(17:46) How does someone get started with Salespath?

(19:20) What is Kyle seeing in the shifts in culture from those who are working on a sales system?

(21:26) How do you begin to layer in Salespath and make it actionable?

(23:40) How often does Salespath check in with clients using Salespath

(26:30) Join Kendra and Kyle in future episodes for updates on sales tips and trends

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In this episode, ICA CEO Eric Wulf sits down with a living legend of the car-wash world: Henry Dubinsky, founder of Waterway Carwash and the newest inductee to the Car Wash Hall of Fame. Named among the industry’s greatest, Dubinsky joins a long line of pioneers whose innovations shaped the way America washes cars. 

Henry reflects on a storied career — from law school and a stint at a major accounting firm, to the unlikely path that led him into the car-wash business. He shares how Waterway evolved from its humble beginnings in a St. Louis suburb in 1970 to become a respected, multi-state operation. 

(1:00) Henry begins with his story…where he grew-up and how he got into the carwash business. Hear his story about law school, working for Arthur Anderson and how this pointed him on the road to the car wash business.

(4:26) What were his businesses’ clear points of differentiation? And hear about his third-generation employees.

(6:09) How did Henry navigate working with family…and having his son Bob work with him? What advice would he offer to families in similar situations?

(7:55) How have Bob’s business ideas evolved? Learn about The Clean Car Club membership program.

(10:55) How had the industry evolved since Henry’s involvement? And how does Hanry maintain a sense of closeness with his employees?

(12:55) What are some of the charitable groups Henry spends his time supporting?

(14:10) He talks about his early days with the ICA and some of the key decision points he’s seen shape the industry.

(15:45) What advise does Henry have for private investors wanting to get into the industry? Would he do it again today and why?

(18:04) What were henry’s thoughts as he accepted the ICA Award?

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In this episode of Conversations With ICA, ICA CEO Eric Wulf sits down with ICA Research Director Bob Klein for a deep dive into the Q3 2025 state of the car wash industry, consumer behavior, and economic trends. Together, they explore how today’s market dynamics—rising costs, shifting customer expectations, and a changing economy—are shaping the way both retailers and suppliers approach growth, customer experience, and long-term strategy. 

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• The “headline” trends defining the current state of the economy and their impact on car wash consumer behavior
• Why customer fatigue may be more perception than reality
• How retailers can balance value-driven customers with experience-focused business models
• The emotional and behavioral differences between subscribers and retail customers
• What data tells us about optimism and market confidence in the post-COVID era
• The outlook for retailer and supplier sentiment heading into 2025
• Key indicators and research areas ICA is watching for in the year ahead

Episode Highlights

(1:05) Eric invites Bob to provide his “headline” for the current state of the economy and how this effects people’s wanting to go to a car wash.

(2:56) Eric questions the existence of “customer fatigue” in washing their cars. Bob talks about where the retailer’s focus is today…enriching the customer experience with differentiation.

(5:57) With a customer focus on value and a retailer focused on experience…can the two co-exist? Bob addresses the critical nature of a good experience.

(8:53) Is this customer experience an investment for all customer types – subscribers and transactional/retail?

(12:19) The percentage of subscribers who look forward to their washes is notably larger that a transcriber customer. What can be be done to increase this transcriber experience? Bob explains the three types of customer cohorts – acquaintances, friends and lovers – and how to communicate with each.

(15:30) On the retail side the data shows that optimism has declined. Bob explains why following record growth rates during Covid.

(18:42) What are the concerns retailers have about over-saturation? And yet, retailers are still very optimistic about the potential growth in subscriptions.

(20:20) What about supplier sentiment? Bob addresses this can cost-of-goods and the state of the economy.

(23:15) What key points will Bob be watching as future indicators in Q4 2025? Bob is actually excited about customers’ future intended behavior and the emotions they are feeling. Look for abundant attitudinal research.

That was a segment from the latest in Conversations with ICA. If you want to hear the full version, visit car wash magazine dot com to listen for free. While you’re there, subscribe to ICA to always receive the latest stories, insights and research from the International Carwash Association.

In this episode of Conversations with ICA, Kendra Johnson SVP Growth - ICA talks with Derrick Burton Creative Design Supervisor DRB/Suds and Tasha Luttrell Account Coordinator DRB/Suds to explore what it really means to create a VIP experience in the car wash industry. SUDS is DRB’s marketing and data insights division that provides actionable analytics, creative strategy, and customized marketing solutions to help car wash operators grow memberships, increase customer engagement, and fine-tune their business performance. By turning data into strategy, SUDS empowers operators to better understand and serve their customers.

Together, Derrick and Tasha dive into how car wash operators can elevate their customer journey through thoughtful design, organization, and authenticity—ensuring their brand stands out in a crowded market.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  • What defines a true VIP experience—and why it matters for your brand.

• How exclusivity can backfire if not carefully balanced.

• The role of design and marketing in shaping the customer experience.

• Steps to get started creating your own VIP program.

• How SUDS leverages data and insights to enhance customer relationships and drive growth.

Episode Highlights

(1:08) Derrick kicks off the conversation by defining a VIP experience. The three points paramount t this is being true to your brand, being novel/unique and personal.

(4:25) Why is being too exclusive possible detrimental?

(5:48) How does the design and marketing of the VIP experience effect the customer?

(8:40) Why should an operator go through the process of creating a VIP experience?

(9:36) What are the best placements for the customer experience…what’s important? Start with being organized and clean in your overall presentation.

(13:53) What are the steps to get started on a VIP experience? Derrick walks through the steps.

(14:40) Tasha reiterates being true to your brand and being part of a neighborhood.

(15:45) And now…what’s unique about SUDS?

(16:57) Derrick adds that SUDS has an amazing amount of data they share with their customers

(18:47) Kendra summarizes the conversation and points out the memorable points from the conversation.

In today’s express tunnel environment, your point-of-sale system isn’t just how you process transactions—it’s your operational heartbeat. From managing memberships to powering reporting and capturing customer data, it runs the show. But the biggest results appear when your POS connects seamlessly with other systems like license plate recognition, CRM platforms, tunnel controllers, and marketing automation tools. Integrations transform a simple gate scan into a churn alert, a personalized upsell, or a perfectly timed win back offer—without anyone lifting a finger.

In this episode, Kendra Johnson, SVP of Growth at the International Carwash Association, talks with two experts from Rinsed: Braxton McKee, Senior Content Marketing Manager, and Jon Murphy, Team Lead for Car Wash Infrastructure. Together, they break down why POS integrations are non-negotiable, how they influence membership and marketing strategies, and what operators risk if they don’t connect their systems.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• What a modern, well-integrated POS system looks like under the hood
• Why integrations are critical for today’s high-volume express washes
• How POS data drives membership marketing and retention strategies
• The difference between a connected POS and a siloed one
• Common mistakes operators make when marketing without POS integration
• The biggest risks operators face if they don’t integrate their tech stack

Episode Highlights

(:30) Meet Braxton McKee, Sr. Content Marketing Manager at Rinsed.

(1:45) Now meet Jon Murphy, Team Lead at Rinsed and learn the unique perspectives he brings to the table.

(2:45) What does a modern, well-connected Point of Sale System look like?

(3:53) How does Braxton position data integration and use?

(5:20) What are some real-time applications for this data?

(7:03) Has it been proven that using data will move the needle on what matters to operators?

(8:03) How does this data interactivity affect the back of the hours? Tunnel controls, 3rd party camera systems and POS.

(9:46) What are the two biggest barriers faced in using data? Layering data and expense.

(11:49) What’s the biggest risk of NOT integrating? 

(12:55) What’s the biggest risk for the mid-tier operator?

(15:20) Look forward to more insights from Rinsed coming soon!

Be sure to join ICA at Roadmap, November 3–4 in Dallas, TX, for two days of learning across Sales, Marketing, HR, and Operations. Registration is open now at carwashroadmap.com.

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In this episode of Conversations with ICA, Kendra Johnson SVP Growth - ICA sits down with Alison Amira, Senior Director of Product for Engagement Solutions at DRB - a leading provider of technology solutions in the car wash industry, specializing in point-of-sale (POS) systems, tunnel management software, and business optimization tools. Established in 1984, DRB serves a diverse range of car wash operators, from single-site businesses to large multi-location chains. 

Alison brings extensive experience helping car wash operators leverage technology to drive revenue, grow memberships, and reduce churn. They discuss the challenges the industry faced in 2024, current operational pressures, and strategies for success in the latter half of 2025.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Key challenges the car wash industry faced in 2024 and today
• How disconnected technology can affect revenue and customer experience
• Strategies for driving retail sales, growing memberships, and reducing churn
• Practical ways operators can use data and technology to make better decisions
• Trends and tools that will shape the customer experience in the second half of 2025

Episode Highlights

(:49) Going back to 2024,  What were some of the challenges the car wash industry faced? Higher interest rates, labor pressures, membership churn and rising cost of goods to start.

(3:45) Fast forward to today, what pressures are operators facing now?

(4:57) What are the front lines facing technology wise? These are both challenges AND growth!

(6:30) Ali talks about dashboards and how mismatched data reports can affect sales.

(10:42) Ali addresses three critical pillars …revenue, membership and churn.

(14:00) What are some of the modern strategies available to market to customers and prospects? SMS vs. email! Make it easy to say yes…AND say no!

(17:33) How are operators addressing churn both voluntary and involuntary?

(20:46) What does Alison encourage operators to focus on the latter half of 2025? Look for customer apps!

Be sure to join ICA at Roadmap, November 3–4 in Dallas, TX, for two days of learning across Sales, Marketing, HR, and Operations. Registration is open now at carwashroadmap.com.

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In this episode, Kendra Johnson, SVP of Growth at the International Carwash Association, sits down with Bethany Adams, Associate Director of Marketing & Strategy for Villanova University’s Graduate Programs in Human Resource Development. With more than 15 years of experience across small businesses, Fortune 500 companies, and higher education, Bethany brings a unique and practical perspective on the evolving role of HR.

She is an educator, strategist, and consultant whose passion lies in helping organizations cultivate authentic engagement, develop leaders at every level, and align culture with business goals. At Roadmap 2025, Bethany will lead a workshop on recruitment, retention, and the critical shift in how organizations think about employee expectations. 

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Why today’s workforce requires a new approach to leadership and engagement
• How HR strategy differs across small businesses, corporations, and higher education
• The concept of “leading the leader” and why it matters now
• Practical ways to make engagement part of everyday culture
• Common strategies that miss the mark and how to rethink them
• How to use creativity in solving day-to-day challenges through “Action Labs”
• What the future of employee check-ins might look like

Episode Highlights

(1:00) Working with small businesses, Fortune 500 companies and now higher education gives Bethany a unique perspective on the role of HR. She explains the finer points of her perspective.

(1:49) Why is it timely to learn about leading the leader? It’s the societal shift! She outlines the new employee expectations and how she will address these in her workshop at this year’s Roadmap conference.

(4:30) What are a couple of the areas Bethany will cover? She will highlight how to action and strategize engagement and how to create culture and make this a part of your strategy. Think emotional intelligence! 

(7:50) So, what strategies aren’t working? Well, engagement and what it really means regarding the responsibility of the organization to create an atmosphere that allow people to be engaged. It doesn’t always have to be big…sometimes a simple check in is powerful.

(10:47) What is the “Action Lab” portion of her workshop? It’s about thinking creatively about problems you face during the day and how to solve for them.

(13:12) What does Bethany find powerful going forward? She talks about the future “check-in”.

Seats are limited for Bethnay’s November 3rd workshop at Roadmap – so sign up today!

Join ICA at Roadmap, November 3–4 in Dallas, TX, for two days of learning across Sales, Marketing, HR, and Operations. Registration is open now at carwashroadmap.com.

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In this episode ICA Senior Vice President/ Growth Kendra Johnson sits down with the leadership team Adam Trien – CEO/CTO, Dylan von Kleist VP of Marketing and Sales and Matt Osher CFO and Head of Data Analytics from AMP, a technology company focused on helping car wash operators thrive through data-driven insights, customer engagement tools, and innovative app-based solutions.

Adam, Dylan and Matt share the story of how AMP’s app was developed, the challenges and game-changing moments that shaped its growth, and how the company has partnered with NCS to further expand its reach.

The conversation highlights how AMP leverages the massive amount of data it collects—turning numbers into meaningful, actionable insights for operators. From customer behavior and demographics to marketing strategies and loyalty programs, the team discusses how their reports are designed to answer the real-world questions operators face every day.

Episode Highlights:

• How the AMP app was created and the pivotal moments that drove growth
• The impact of becoming a partner with NCS
• What AMP does with the data it collects—and how operators benefit
• Key findings from the report, including volume trends by region and demographics
• How AMP connects data to make it relevant and useful for operators

• Insights into customer behavior: generational differences, gender-based patterns, and loyalty program value
• Practical tips for leveraging AMP reports to improve marketing and reduce churn
• The future promise of the car wash industry and AMP’s role in it

This episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at how technology and analytics are shaping the next generation of success for the car wash industry.

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In this episode, Kendra Johnson SVP Growth at ICA sits down with Cormac Acevedo Lean Coach at Lean Enterprise Institute (LEI) – a nonprofit education, publishing, research, and conference organization dedicated to advancing lean thinking and practice across industries - for a preview of what he and his team will share at this year’s ICA Roadmap in Dallas. Cormac draws from his experience at the Lean Enterprise Institute to explain how lean principles can help car wash operators solve problems, improve processes, and create stronger, more resilient businesses.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Why lean problem-solving is essential for car wash operators navigating today’s fast-paced environment.
• The critical difference between solving problems (reacting to issues) and solving for improvements (changing the process for the better).
• Why the ability to problem-solve is more valuable than ever in an industry facing workforce, supply chain, and operational challenges.
• The concept of “learn by doing”—why success doesn’t come from practice alone, but from experimenting, applying, and adjusting in real time.
• A preview of how Cormac and his team will help Roadmap attendees not only learn lean principles but also apply them to daily operations.
• An introduction to practical problem solving: what it is, its components, and how to make it part of everyday management.
• A breakdown of PDCA (Plan–Do–Check–Adjust), how it drives continuous improvement, and why it’s a cornerstone of lean thinking.

Episode Highlights

• (1:22) Best practices car wash operators need to adopt now
• (2:45) Problem-solving vs. process improvement explained
• (4:10) Why strong problem-solving skills are mission critical
• (6:22) “Learn by doing” and why it matters
• (9:27) How the LEI team will help audiences at Roadmap
• (12:09) What “practical problem solving” looks like in operations
• (14:40) PDCA and how it drives continuous improvement

Join ICA at Roadmap, November 3–4 in Dallas, TX, for two days of learning across Sales, Marketing, HR, and Operations. Registration is open now at carwashroadmap.com.

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