Carl Stickelmeyer and Brian Danker met at the American Pilgrims on the Camino annual gathering at Lake Tahoe in 2020. They've since become great buddies. 

Earlier this year they embarked on the Camino Primitivo from Oviedo to Santiago de Compostela. Along the Way, they discovered it was much more difficult than they had anticipated, and it meant it was an even greater achievement to arrive in Santiago and then to take their Camino back to their family. 

This is a great chat about friendship, overcoming hardship and sticking it out, even when you think you're on your last legs.