JD starts the show discussing the AL wild card race and the meddling NY Giants (00:00). Justin Bourne, co-host of The Real Kyper and Bourne,  joins JD to talk about the Maple Leafs upcoming season; fan apathy, measuring the newness, JD's theory about why Nylander is playing centre, and rating the blue line (12:00).

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