Charlie Jacoby talks to his father, Martin Jacoby about Martin's life as a natural historian, his views on how natural history and species work, the history of humankind, and why shooting butterflies is a good idea. He puts forward his ideas about DNA, why we hunt, and why hunting is an essential part of humanity.

Dad's reading list

The Human Population Tsunami: how it could be managed by Martin Jacoby

Grooming gossip and the origin of language by Robin Dunbar

What is Life? by Addie Pross

Biophilia by EO Wilson

The Otter by James Williams