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America during Donald Trump’s presidency has embraced interventionist economic policy in a way not seen since FDR’s New Deal, from golden shares in steelmakers, profit sharing with chipmakers, sector-specific tariffs, to waivers for firms that invest in the U.S.
To make sense of what’s happening, BBTW editor Peter Green spoke with Jan Svejnar, the Richard N. Gardner Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Columbia University, and an economic adviser to the post-Communist Czech government’s transition to free markets.
We have a very different kind of economic direction under President Trump than we have seen under almost any American president in the modern era. What do you call this economy?Jan Svejnar:I don’t think we really have a term that has been coined and accepted yet broadly, but there’s no question that it’s a much more state-capitalism oriented model than it was before. The laissez-faire aspect is gone. There is intervention, of course. It started in a major way in the international trade arena, but it’s moved beyond that. It’s targeted. So you could call it industrial policy, except it’s selectively applied. It’s a situation where the executive branch not only regulates according to certain rules, but selectively goes and intervenes in the economy.
The French had a system like this and the Russians used to have one that was called the five-year plan. Is that where we are?Yes, we are, although both the five-year planning cycle and the French dirigisme, indicative planning as they called it in the 70s, was broadly based, consistent, applying to everybody, whereas here it’s much more selective. The government will buy into a company or two or three. So the policies don’t apply across the board evenly to everybody.
A lot of the people on Trump’s side have previously declared themselves as free marketeers. Is there a contradiction here?I think so. There is a turnaround. These people have really changed and are willing to go with the strong executive, which Trump is, and go against principles that they espoused before. So in that sense, we have a system which is very unpredictable because Trump is unpredictable. One day he sets tariffs, a month later, he abolishes them: look at the situation vis-a-vis China.
How durable are these shifts, and how sustainable is this kind of economy?They are not [durable] in the sense that we don’t know. They keep changing, from day to day, month to month, quarter to quarter. And the unpredictability of it is something that really is making economic decision-making more difficult. While the economy is surprisingly still doing quite well,the uncertainty always reduces investment, always reduces economic activity.
That lack of predictability is evident in political relations, too. Especially with our biggest trading partners, Canada, and Western Europe. What does that do for our trade?It’s not clear that the Western alliance is holding together. China has grown and is becoming a major trading partner. With tariffs, Europe is naturally looking to other parts of the world to establish strong partnerships in trade with South America, for example.
President Trump says it’s like a shock therapy for the United States and that once we’re through these changes, we will be stronger and there’ll be more revenue, more growth. Is that borne out by the data?Theory would predict that it will not happen. And in [terms of] the data, we’re too early. The first two, three, quarters of putting this new regime in place is too early because companies bought inputs beforehand, expecting that tariffs may go up. So the full force of the tariffs and the uncertainty of tariffs being on and off is yet to be felt. Smaller businesses already are feeling it. The larger ones so far are doing relatively well. It’s confounded by the fact that we are going through major technological change with artificial intelligence . So that is keeping the US economy going stronger than it would otherwise. So the negative effect of the tariffs and the industrial policy, which. doesn’t have a high degree of consistency, are not fully felt because we have the positive effects of the technological change.
Is there trouble ahead?There is a lot of uncertainty that’s being introduced, a lot of intervention in the international trade arena where free trade has been an engine for growth for the United States, as well as for other countries. Imposing a constraint on international trade by the tariffs is going to reduce the welfare of the American population. We should be ready for a significant correction. And since a lot of people have their wealth in the stock market, which distinguishes the United States from many other countries, we are much more vulnerable to a big downturn.
This interview has been condensed and edited.
—Peter S. Green
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In the bottom right corner of the poster for James Gunn’s 2021 The Suicide Squad, it says “get DC comics at comics shops”. That was the first time any comic book movie has explicitly stated this to its viewers.
Despite superheroes dominating 21st century cinema, earning hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions at the box office, that success hasn’t blown back on the comic book industry. Movie studios are comfortable digging through comic bins for hot new intellectual property, but they are not comfortable returning the favor and sharing their success.
DC started to turn this around in 2022 with “The Batman.” The comic book company created a box set including stories that inspired the movie such as “Batman: The Long Halloween” and “Batman: Ego.” It was new reader-friendly material that would ease people into this wonderful medium.
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When James Gunn was instated as co-CEO of DC Studios and announced his initial film slate, he blew the doors open. His announcement of a film based on Tom King and Bilquis Everly’s “Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow” turned that comic that barely sold in periodicals into a graphic novel that couldn’t stay on shelves.
DC has been working overtime to help film fans transfer to the comics. Batman comics are once again popping up in grocery stores, and it’s also started selling compact comics, which are smaller and cheaper graphic novels that are easy to carry around.
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