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What is going on with the stock market? It just keeps rising. To understand where the markets are going and how they are being influenced by some major macro-economic trends — like tariffs and interest rates, BBTW editor Peter Green spoke with Mike Reynolds, vice-president of investment strategy at Glenmede, an investment manager and private wealth adviser with $47 billion in assets under management.
On Tuesday, Fed chair Jerome Powell indicated more quarter-point cuts are coming, and then noted that stocks are “fairly highly valued.” What should we make of Powell’s remarks?Mike Reynolds: Part of the Fed’s mandate is to monitor financial stability. It didn’t sound like he was overly worried to the point where it’s going to influence monetary policy near term. We have really full valuations in pockets of the market in the U.S., particularly large-cap growth stocks. That’s the portion of the market that gets a lot of headlines, your Mag-7*, your NASDAQs, your growth stocks. When we look beyond that, we’re actually seeing more fair valuations in the value corners, especially in small-cap, on a relative basis.
* The Magnificent Seven tech stocks are Alphabet$GOOGL ( ▼ 0.8% ) , Tesla$TSLA ( ▼ 4.29% ) , Apple$AAPL ( ▲ 1.86% ) , Nvidia$NVDA ( ▲ 0.35% ) , Meta$META ( ▼ 1.51% ) , Amazon$AMZN ( ▼ 0.85% ) , and Microsoft$MSFT ( ▼ 0.64% ) .
So we’re not yet at the irrational exuberance stage, like we saw before the tech bubble burst in 2000?We don’t think so. We monitor sentiment very closely. If you were looking at investor surveys and levels of investor positioning like margin debt, options volumes, around the tech bubble [in 2000], you would have seen truly irrational exuberance. We’re not seeing that in the data yet. Sure, there’s a lot of optimism floating around in this market. But is it like pop-the-bubble sort of optimism at this point? I think that’s kind of a stretch.
How much more room is there to appreciate?The upside there is a lot more limited than it has been over the past few months. If you are expecting material returns going forward, you have to have a thesis that the earnings are really going to be driving that. This year has been remarkably resilient from a profit perspective, especially for the S&P 500. It’s encouraging. You’re seeing smaller caps like the Russell 2,000 are starting to join that party, too, and Q2 is really turning a corner. That’s a part of the market where actually, we think we can see both profit growth as well as valuation expansion as a tailwind for small caps in particular. Looking at large caps, the valuations are looking pretty rich there, so you really have to see the earnings come through to justify those valuations.
What is driving some of those super valuations?The thematic trade around AI has gotten a lot of traction. We see that the top seven companies in the S&P are now more capex-intensive than the top seven have ever been for that index. A hallmark of these companies just a couple of years ago was just how asset-light they were, free cash flow generating machines. The question now is whether you actually get a commensurate return on investment from that capex. And a lot of the demand projections for AI seem really rosy from our perspective. Those valuations aren’t priced for disappointment at this time.
Could this be like the browser wars, when there were a half dozen or more companies all jockeying to be what Google effectively became?It very well could be a winner-take-all outcome when it comes to AI and adjacent industries. But one of the things we caution our investors about is that even if a technology seems obvious that it’s going to be disruptive, it’s not always obvious who the winner of that race is going to be.
What sectors do you think are fairly valued if you’re a long term investor?The more obvious opportunity from our perspective is what we’re seeing in small caps right now. There’s three factors behind that. One is the valuations are at fair value from a historical perspective. The second piece is that earnings are finally turning a corner for small cap. Point three, policy is ramping up to be supportive for small caps. A large portion of the Big Beautiful Bill should disproportionately benefit small caps. For example, R&D expensing is a big benefit for small-cap companies. Enhanced interest deductibility is another one. And the other piece is Fed rate cuts. Small caps are a big beneficiary there because more of their debt is floating rate. So there’s still opportunity in that corner.
This interview has been edited and condensed for brevity and clarity.
—Peter S. Green
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TrumplandiaIf Hollywood loves anything, it’s a remake. Now it’s gotten to the point where they aren’t even waiting for a movie to be released to remake it.
It’s happened with several high profile flicks lately, like “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” “Justice League,” and Pixar’s latest, “Elio.” Work on the picture begins with a certain creative team, then the studio fires them and replaces them with a new bunch of people to remake and ultimately finish the film. It happens when producers want to “save” a movie, but most of the time the films are dead on the operating table.
Instead of paying for one movie, the studio pays for two, albeit without the classic “cash-in” quality of making a sequel. For example, despite “Justice League” making $661 million at the worldwide box office, it was commonly regarded as a flop because it cost upwards of $300 million to make, not including a huge marketing budget of $150 million. If you need to work so hard to market something, there’s an obvious question about whether it might have been more efficient to make a better thing in the first place.
Studios can usually hide behind the fact that general audiences haven’t seen the initial versions, so they can claim the money loss was worth it because the films became better. Thanks to the pandemic, that’s no longer the case.
Desperate for new content, Warner Bros. handed $20 million to Zack Synder — the director they’d already fired once — to complete his version of Justice League for HBO Max since it was a way to get a “new” movie without having to deal with COVID. In other words, he remade his remake as he originally intended. If this all feels a bit postmodern, that’s because it is. What even is an original thing, anyway? Huh?
When the “Synder Cut” was released, critics and audiences agreed that the new edition of the superhero picture was an improvement over the previous version because it wasn’t a Frankenstein’s monster. No matter how “disastrous” a movie’s quality is amidst production, I believe it’s always a worse idea to change the creative team half way through. My advice to Hollywood? Hire the people you want the first time, and have the confidence to stick with your decisionmaking.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Department of Government Efficiency’s remaking of the federal workforce has battered the Washington job market and put more households in the metropolitan area in financial distress, according to a report released Wednesday.
The number of homes for sale in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia region, also known as the DMV, is up by 64% since June 2024, and the region’s unemployment rate is the highest in the nation, according to the DMV Monitor, a real-time data interactive created by the Brookings Institution with the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments.
Washington has had the nation’s highest seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for four straight months. The unemployment rate was 5.3% in January and ticked up to 6% in August, compared with the 4.3% national average, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
From the start of President Donald Trump’s second term in January, DOGE, led by his then-adviser Elon Musk, instigated purges of federal agencies with the expressed mission of rooting out fraud, waste and abuse. DOGE led to tens of thousands of job cuts, including layoffs and people who accepted financial incentives to quit. Some people were rehired, a reflection of the haphazard process. Although losses were felt around the country, the Washington area was particularly hard hit.
Scott Kupor, director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, said last month that there will be 300,000 fewer federal workers on the payroll nationwide by the end of the year. The government has about 2.5 million workers, including military members.
Contractors have been affected, too. DOGE’s website states that 13,231 federal government contracts have been terminated, totaling $59 billion in savings. In fiscal year 2024, more than 100,000 companies received contracts, totaling roughly $774 billion.
Besides the mass layoffs, the Republican president’s other actions to remake the image of the nation’s capital — including deploying National Guard troops and federalizing the city’s local Metropolitan Police Department — “could shape consumer spending and investment in the local economy,” the report says.
The report also says private-sector job growth is stagnating, “with many new jobs not aligned with the skills and experiences of most laid-off federal workers.”
“As a result,” it says, “job postings were not as robust as they were in peer regions, which is concerning when unemployment has soared, especially in the suburbs.”
Taylor Rogers, a White House spokeswoman, said D.C. “has often had the highest unemployment rate in the nation, even during Joe Biden’s federal hiring frenzy.” D.C.’s unemployment rate hit 11.3% at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic and fell to 5.3% at the end of Biden’s presidency. “This longstanding problem is due to an overreliance on federal bloat and sky-high crime, two problems that President Trump is quickly and successfully fixing by cracking down on crime in the Nation’s capital and implementing supply-side reforms that have already created over half a million private-sector jobs for American-born workers,” Rogers said.
The DMV region is home to the most college graduates of any major U.S. metropolitan area, and one-fifth of federal workers are concentrated in the area.
In July, the Supreme Court cleared the way for Trump’s Republican administration to downsize the federal workforce further, despite warnings that critical government services would be lost. The ruling does not apply to every agency, and other legal challenges to federal worker firings continue.
Additionally, hundreds of federal employees who lost their jobs in Musk’s cost-cutting blitz are being asked to return to work.
“The DMV region’s economy has grown even weaker than the nation in many categories due to the Trump administration’s seismic actions to shrink the federal government,” the report reads.
And given proposed additional cuts in the future, the DC Fiscal Policy Institute predicts it’s likely more Washington residents and others from around the region who work in Washington will lose their federal jobs over the coming months and years.
The latest Washington Office of Revenue Analysis figures show that initial unemployment insurance claims have jumped by 33.7% compared with this time last year.
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ABILENE, Texas (AP) — The afternoon sun was so hot that OpenAI CEO Sam Altman traded his usual crewneck sweater for a T-shirt on the last legs of a Tuesday visit to the massive Stargate artificial intelligence data center complex that will power the future of ChatGPT.
OpenAI announced Tuesday that its flagship AI data center in Texas will be joined by five others around the U.S. as the ChatGPT maker aims to make good on the $500 billion infrastructure investment promoted by President Donald Trump earlier this year.
Stargate, a joint venture between OpenAI, Oracle and Softbank, said it is building two more data center complexes in Texas, one in New Mexico, one in Ohio and another in a Midwest location it hasn’t yet disclosed.
But it’s the project in Abilene, Texas, that promised to be the biggest of them all, transforming what the city’s mayor called an old railroad town.
Oracle executives visiting the eight-building complex said it is already on track to be the world’s largest AI supercluster once fully built, a reference to its network of hundreds of thousands of AI computer chips that will be running in its H-shaped buildings.
Altman said, “When you hit that button on ChatGPT, you really don’t — I don’t, at least” — think about what happens inside the data halls used to build and operate the chatbot.
He and Oracle’s new co-CEO Clay Magouyrk also sought to emphasize the steps they’ve taken to reduce the energy-hungry complex’s environmental effects on a drought-prone region of West Texas, where temperatures hit 97 degrees Fahrenheit (36 degrees Celsius) on Tuesday.
“We’re burning gas to run this data center,” said Altman, but added that “in the long trajectory of Stargate” the hope is to rely on many other power sources.
The complex will require about 900 megawatts of electricity to power the eight buildings.
One is already operating, and a second that Altman and Magouyrk visited Tuesday is nearly complete. Each server rack in those buildings holds 72 of Nvidia’s GB200 chips, which are specially designed for the most intensive AI workloads. Each building is expected to have about 60,000 of them.
More than 6,000 workers now commute to the massive construction project each day, in what Mayor Weldon Hurt described as a significant boost to the local economy. The campus and nearby expansion will provide nearly 1,700 jobs onsite when fully operational, Oracle said, with “thousands more indirect jobs” predicted to be created.
Hand-made signs lining the roads to the facility advertise “move-in-ready” homes for workers.
“AI WORKERS? HUGE DISCOUNTS” says one promising homes with one to six bedrooms.
But Hurt also acknowledged that residents have mixed feelings about the project due to its water and energy needs.
The city’s chronically stressed reservoirs were at roughly half-capacity this week. Residents must follow a two-day-a-week outdoor watering schedule, trading off based on whether their address numbers are odd or even.
One million gallons of water from the city’s municipal water systems provides an “initial fill” for a closed-loop system that cools the data center’s computers and keeps the water from evaporating. After that initial fill, Oracle expects each of the eight buildings to need another 12,000 gallons per year, which it describes as a “remarkably low figure for a facility of this scale.”
“These data centers are designed to not use water,” Magouyrk said. “All of the data centers that we’re building (in) this part of Stargate are designed to not use water. The reason we do that is because it turns out that’s harmful for the environment and this is a better solution.”
The closed-loop system shows that the developer is “taking its impact on local public water supplies seriously,” but the overall environmental effect is more nuanced because such systems require more electricity, which also means higher indirect water usage through power generation, said Shaolei Ren, a professor at the University of California, Riverside, who has studied AI’s environmental toll.
Indeed, the data center complex includes a new gas-fired power plant, using natural gas turbines similar to those that power warships. The companies say the plant is meant to provide backup power for the data halls and is a better option than traditional diesel generators. Most of the power comes from the local grid, sourced from a mix of natural gas with the sprawling wind and solar farms that dot the windy and sunny region.
Ren said that “even with emission-reduction measures, the health impacts of essentially turning the data center site into a power plant deserve further study for nearby communities.”
Arlene Mendler, a Stargate neighbor, said she wished she had more say in the project that eliminated a vast tract of mesquite shrubland, home to coyotes and roadrunners.
“It has completely changed the way we were living,” said Mendler, who lives across the street. “We moved up here 33 years ago for the peace, quiet, tranquility. After we got home from work, we could ride horses down the road. It was that type of a place.”
Now, she doesn’t know what to do about the constant cacophony of construction sounds or the bright lights that have altered her nighttime views. The project was essentially a done deal once she found out about it.
“They took 1,200 acres and just scraped it to bare dirt,” said her husband, Fred Mendler.
The first time most residents heard of Stargate — at least by that name — was when Trump announced the project shortly after returning to the White House in January. Originally planned as a facility to mine cryptocurrency, developers had pivoted and expanded their designs to tailor the project to the AI boom sparked by ChatGPT.
The partnership said at that time it was investing $100 billion — and eventually up to $500 billion — to build large-scale data centers and the energy generation needed to further AI development. More recently, OpenAI signed a $300 billion deal to buy computing capacity from Oracle. It’s a huge bet for the San Francisco-based AI startup, which was founded as a nonprofit.
OpenAI and Oracle invited media and politicians, including U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican, to tour the site for the first time Tuesday.
Cruz called Texas “ground zero for AI” because if “you’re building a data center, what do you want? No. 1, you want abundant, low-cost energy.”
Of the other five Stargate data center projects announced Tuesday, Oracle is working with OpenAI to build one just northeast of Abilene, in Shackelford County, Texas, and another in New Mexico’s Doña Ana County. It also said it is working to build one in the Midwest.
Softbank said it has broken ground on two more in Lordstown, Ohio, and in Milam County, Texas.
The projects offer OpenAI a way to break out from its longtime partnership with Microsoft, which until recently was the startup’s exclusive computing partner. Altman told The Associated Press his company has been “severely limited for the value we can offer to people.”
“ChatGPT is slow. It’s not as smart as we’d like to be. Many users can’t use it as much as they would like,” Altman said. ”We have many other ideas and products we want to build.”
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The Associated Press and OpenAI have a licensing and technology agreement that allows OpenAI access to part of AP’s text archives.
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