Cherry, baby! We are here with two-time Tony-winner and three-time Emmy-winner Cherry Jones. You Might Know Her From The Handmaid's Tale, 24, Transparent, Succession, The West Wing, The Village, The Eyes of Tammy Faye, and her numerous theatre credits including The Heiress, Doubt, Mrs. Warren's Profession, and The Glass Menagerie. Cherry talked to us about playing the real life Eileen Myles on Transparent, grounding the violence on 24, whether or not she’ll appear in the final season of The Handmaid’s Tale, and she shares with us an actor’s secret: her “moment before” from the Broadway production of Doubt. Plus, we got the scoop on going toe to toe with Brian Cox on Succession, whether or not she’d ever play Madame/Mama Rose in Gypsy, and trailblazing as a queer person in entertainment when she won her Tonys. This one was just a total treat! 

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Discussed this episode:

Was Sarah Schulman’s novel People in Trouble ripped off for Rent?

Michael Greif directed Jonathan Larson’s original production of Rent

Gypsy Rose Lee’s autobiography, Gypsy: A Memoir: 

June Havoc’s 2 memoirs: Early Havoc and More Havoc

Arthur Laurents’ memoir: Original Story By:

Gypsy movie with Rosalind Russell (1962) + Bette Midler tv Gypsy (1993)

Our Sunset Boulevard review on Patreon

Book about original production of Sunset Boulevard

We are digging into the source material for our:

YEAR OF Rent | Gypsy | Sunset Boulevard | Chicago

The play is called Chicago

Bette’s Emmy performance of “Rose’s Turn” in stirrup pants

Spongebob creator Hillenburg sold rights to Nickelodeon and when he died they made a musical and lots of spin-offs

Tick Tick Boom introduced Anne to Raul Esparza “Boho Days”

5 Days at Memorial (Apple TV)

Nan Pierce on Succession was the bus and truck Katherine Graham

After doing Doubt on Broadway, she went on national tour with the show

Dennis Haysbert was first President on 24 and then it was Cherry as Allison Taylor

Had been doing rep at ART for 10 years when she opened as Catherine in the 1995 revival of The Heiress directed by Gerry Guitierrez

Cherry saw Tyne Daly and Angela Lansbury’s Gypsy

Angela was a tall woman

Jane Greenwood was costume designer for The Heiress and the Colleen Dewhurst’s A Moon for the Misbegotten

Has Colleen’s student id card from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts hanging on her wall

Played Ma Joad at the National Theatre in London last summer (will not transfer)

Jessica Chastain A Doll’s House got the phone stuff out of the way at pre-show

Testament of Mary with Fiona Shaw

Jessica Hecht was so good in Summer of 1976 and Eureka Day

Cherry loves J. Smith Cameron in anything

M Night Shyamalan’s Signs and The Village

Former guest of the show Celia Weston told us M Night’s camp was fun but didn’t inform the work

Starred opposite Mel Gibson in the Jodie Foster’s film, The Beaver

Twelfth Night with Diane Lane (directed by Andrei Serban) Lifetime lesbian movie with Brooke Shields, What Makes a Family (2001)

We interviewed Veronica Cartwright who was in The Children’s Hour

Played Eleanor Roosevelt opposite Hilary Swank’s Amelia Eearhart in Amelia 

Tina Howe and Jack O’Brien’s Pride’s Crossing is the thing Cherry wants us to see

Played Matt Damon’s mom in Ocean’s 12 even though she is 14 years younger than him

MOVIES CHERRY IS NOT IN: Cold Mountain and A League of Their Own (aka Avita Vayonne) 

Does the audiobooks for Little House on the Prairie books

Claire Danes reads audiobook of The Handmaid’s Tale

Essentially played Eileen Myles in Transparent

Was NOT in the O’Malley with Mickey Rooney 

Was never ASKED to be on The L Word

We talked to Barrie Kreinik about Eva La Gallienne and Laurette Taylor but said it was RUMORED, no receipts

Character in Noel Coward’s Hay Fever based on  Laurette Taylor 

Timothee Chalamet’s speech at the 2025 SAG Awards

“They Like Me” is actually “YOU LIKE ME”

“It Came True”