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Charlie Curson, strategist and leadership coach with 25+ years advising companies like VISA, McDonald's, and Unilever, joins the show to break down what "being strategic" actually means.
In this conversation, we explore why executives can't define the very thing they demand from their teams. Charlie shares the story of a 20-year operational veteran told he needed to "be more strategic"ābut when Charlie asked the boss what that meant, he couldn't explain it either. This gap inspired Charlie's book and his approach to making strategy accessible beyond boardrooms and MBA programs.
You'll walk away with Charlie's "12 people exercise" using post-it notes to surface strategic misalignment, a stakeholder mapping framework that reveals who you're wasting time on, and the discipline high-performing teams use to over-communicate (hint: Olympic teams, rugby squads, and military units do this naturallyācorporate teams don't).
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Charlie Curson is a strategist, leadership coach, author, investor, facilitator, and OKR expert. He's the founder of Mandarin Associates, with 25+ years helping 250+ organizations across 30+ industries, from global giants like VISA and McDonald's to ambitious start-ups.
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Chief Story Officer is a podcast about how stories drive strategy, not just communication. Host Rob D. Willis talks with executives and thought leaders about the moments where the right message changed everything.
Real stories. Real impact. Every two weeks.
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Rain Bennett, award-winning filmmaker and fractional Chief Storytelling Officer, joins the show to discuss why storytelling isn't just marketingāit's strategy.
In this conversation, we explore what a Chief Storytelling Officer actually does, how Nike used story listening to beat Adidas in the 1970s, and why misalignment kills trust faster than bad products. Rain shares his framework for building a brand narrative that guides every decision from product development to sales pitches.
You'll walk away with a vision story exercise (resilient, inclusive, service-oriented), an understanding of how storytelling creates virality through community, and one framework for making sure every department tells the same story.
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Rain Bennett is an award-winning filmmaker, author of "Chief Storytelling Officer," and host of the Storytelling Lab podcast. He's conducted over 1,000 interviews in 20 years and now embeds himself in companies as a fractional Chief Storytelling Officer.
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ABOUT THE SHOW
Chief Story Officer is a podcast about how stories drive strategy, not just communication. Host Rob D. Willis talks with executives and thought leaders about the moments where the right message changed everything.
Real stories. Real impact. Every two weeks.
CONNECT WITH ROB
Subscribe to Chief Story Officer on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts
Welcome to Chief Story Officer.
In this quick trailer, host Rob D. Willis introduces the show: conversations with executives and thought leaders about how storytelling shifts strategy, wins buy-in, and drives results.
Every episode delivers tactical frameworks, real examples, and specific moves you can apply immediately in your leadership communication.
New episodes drop every two weeks. Subscribe now and never miss a conversation that could change how you communicate strategy.
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