Amy continues the tragic love story Mai and Lei, the story she calls “the Red Camilla”. Amy recalls Mei telling her that she had decided not to marry Lei, under great pressure. Mei was distraught, but did not tell Amy the details. She did explain that, if she married Lei, her elderly mother would be evicted and sent to live in the country side. Mei also explains that Lei’s brother and sister in law were doctors in the jungle near her village and they could tell Amy the details.

Mei was given a position on “the Revolution Committee” for which she had to be part of the Communist Party. She had to not marry Lei to join the Communist Party.

A few years later, Mei wrote Amy a letter explaining that there would be a film crew formed to video propaganda about the work camps. Mei recommended Amy to be part of the film crew. Amy had been writing a diary of her experiences, mostly focused on her travels, the scenery and many exotic stories, which she sent to Mei. Mei sent the story to the committee who used it as an internal publication.

When the official arrived, he surprised Amy by asking her if she knew Mei’s story.

The Mei and Lei were living together. She had become pregnant and was due to be married to Lei in a few days, but Lei was arrested and thrown in jail. Because Mei was not married, she was pregnant illegally. So, she had to get rid of the baby. She needed a certificate from her work unit to get an abortion. Lei’s brother and sister were doctors who could help, but Mei needed documentation with a seal. Since she worked in the office, she forged the seal. Mei’s boss knew she had forged the seal and wanted her sexual favors to not disclose her forged document.

Amy was surprised and confused as to why the official had told her this. Amy said they are both her friends and even if it is true, she didn’t want to know.

Olsen asks if destroying this romantic relationship was a part of the Cultural Revolutions brainwashing. Amy says, “definitely”. She points out that anything personal was considered dangerous and that a persons only legitimate commitment was to the party.

Nan mentions that the entire Chinese media world has been completely silent about the Chinese American, Chloé Zhao, who won the Oscar for her documentary “Nomadland”, simply because she had said 8 years ago that “China is a place full of lies”. Amy recalls that, even though she has long since left China, she still feels she is not free. She still has nightmares, feeling she is the prisoner of their brainwashing.

Nan suggests that it is hard for Americans to comprehend what it is like for people who have had the kinds of experiences Amy has had. Olsen discusses how the social credit system will make it possible to keep complete track of people, to be “your new god”. Nan mentions that police wear sunglasses which will show any persons social credit score in 3 seconds. Olsen mentions that your ability to buy anything or travel will be controlled.

Billy expresses concern that he might have the wrong job. Olsen explains that there are already CCP social credit surveillance systems in Vancouver. He suggests that it won’t be too long before the CCP is able to “string together everybody in the world”.

David Masters joins the show. Billy explains that he is a Award-Winning Radio Producer – Voice Over Artist and the author of the book “How to escape… The Prison For Your Mind: How the war between good & evil is waged in the battlefield of the mind“. David describes how his dad Roy Masters was a hypnotist in his early days. He dad once said that we are all already hypnotized. The way we become hypnotized is by being stressed, because fear and stress are a “perfect storm” for mind control.

David suggests that the current attempts to prosecute Rudy Giuliani are a signal to anyone who supported Trump that t

Nan points out that the US is committed to reducing CO2 emissions to 50% of 2005 levels by 2030, while Chairman Xi has made no commitment.Amy reminds us of the love story of Lei and Mei. Amy had met Mei at the train station and had a meal at her home. Mei’s father was a professor until the Red Guard had killed him and forced them from their home. They now stayed in a home too small to accommodate a guest. So, Mei took Amy to stay with Lei’s mother. Lei was in a private (not government) jail.Amy was scheduled to leave the following morning for a six day truck journey to the camp at the border. Mei thought it would be possible for Amy to see Lei.  They would make up a story saying that Amy was Lei’s long lost sister. Immediately, the prison guards thought Amy was lying. Amy was so scared, she ran away.Mei had found out that the visit of a vice Commissar of Shanghai was going to create an opportunity for her to travel to the camp at a later date.  Mei was able to take Amy to see many historical sites including the one thousand year old Camellia tree. After several years at the labor camp, for two years Amy received a few letters from Mei, but she wrote less and less about Lei.Amy had the idea to hitchhike in Yunnan.  Amy and a friend got an opportunity to take someones luggage to Kunming.  She immediately, on arrival, tired to contact Mei.  Mei asks to meet in the park with the Camellia tree. Mei, heartbroken, told Amy she had decided not to marry Lei.  Amy asked why Mei can not wait. Mei, tearfully, explains that she will tell Amy what happened. (to be continued next time)Michael recalls Nan mentioning that Mao has had a big influence, not only in China, but around the world as well. Mao’s original intention was to make the world a better place, by making it an equal world, without rich or poor.  Michael recalls Mao’s poem describing a world divided by a sword between Europe, Asia and the Americas.  Mao’s “sword” was his mobilizations of the people. The process of revolutions would be continual, because all governments would become corrupt and need to be overthrown. Mao had instituted 22 revolutions. The Cultural Revolution was only the last one.Michael Olsen points out that in Argentinian, in Canada, In Greece, in the UK, in the Kuru and in the US there were Maoist movements. Not to mention the Killing Fields of Cambodia.  Michael points out how the press has spoken favorably of Maoist movements. The Ukraine recently asked for the New York Times to give back the Pulitzer Prize Walter Duranty won in 1932, in which he covered up the Soviet genocide in their country.Michael Olsen suggests that Maoism has touched the US and led to a Cultural Revolution here as well. As a Montana “farm boy”, Michael Olsen went to Vietnam in 1968 on board a Navy aircraft carrier.  He recalls the assassination of Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, the Democratic Convention, Anti-War protests.  Michael points out that Mao’s Cultural Revolution started in 1966 and the “fervor” seemed to percolate up in US society. Michael recalls that we did not know what was happening inside China at that time.After the Navy Michael ended up at San Diego City College and “for some reason” found himself being elected the student body president with many different revolutions and interest groups.  One day, in 1970 a student went to the Campus Quad, poured a can of gasoline over himself and lit himself on fire.  “The terror of that act rippled through the student community.” Michael was taken aside by an Armenian teacher named Peggy who told him, “this is getting very close to getting out of hand”. She told him to give the students something concrete to do or there would be trouble. Michael asked “what do you do?” They decided to set up a child care center.  The school was against the idea of “taking children away from their parents”.

Amy reminds us that last week she discussed traveling to Beijing to see Chairman Mao. The students were being encouraged to travel the country to spread the revolution.  When Amy arrived in Beijing, the rally was over, but Amy stayed for 51 days. She stayed with her cousins family, surrounded by intellectuals.  Amy recalls that the families courtyard was taken over by the Red Guard. So, the family was forced to stay in one small room.  The family went to visit the Great Wall. When they returned, they all wrote poems. Amy became interested in Chinese Traditional Culture.Amy recalls meeting the director of the Beijing Opera. He helped Amy learn to write poems. .  The mans name was Lee. He returned to his home province, he and Amy became “pen pals”. Amy begins to recount the love story of Lee and Mei. Amy mentions the beautiful red Camila flowers represented their romance, but eventually became the withered Camila.Amy had written to her pen pal to let him know the date she was coming to visit. Amy received a letter from Mei, not sure who that was, saying she would meet Amy at the train station. When Amy exited the train, there was a very beautiful girl there to greet her.  She somehow recognized Amy.  Amy asks what happened to Lee.  Mei’s father had been a professor who was beaten to death by the Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution. When they arrived at Mei’s home, she explained that Lee had become the head of a conservative group. He had been put in jail and tortured by another political group.  Mei and Lee had been engaged.  A week after their engagement, Lee was arrested.  Mei shared some of his letters with Amy.Amy was impressed by their commitment to each other in spite of the Cultural Revolutions.Nan introduces Joshua Philipp.  Amy recalls Josh’s interview on the Saturday Special regarding the source of the Coronavirus.  Nan asks about the CCP attach on The Epoch Times printing office in Hong Kong.  Joshua describes how several men broke in and vandalized the printing press. He explains that there are only two news papers independent from the CCP in Hong Kong, the Apple Daily and The Epoch Times.  Joshua recalls that there was over 2million pro-democracy protestors just over a year ago.  The CCP reaction was to “take off the mask” and put Hong Kong “fully under the communist party”. Nan asks if The Epoch Times will be able to continue publishing and for how long.  Joshua is encouraged by the public statements of the newspaper employee’s, willing to face persecution to continue their independent newspaper.Billy asks if it is possible for The Epoch Times to employ its own security.  Joshua does not believe that it is really an option. It would be “playing with fire”.Amy asks what the current state of the legal system is. Joshua explains that, though the system is still structured after the old British system, but all the judges have been replaced with mainland judges and any political activity is regulated by the CCP.  Amy asks if there is hope for Hong Kong to regain freedom of speech.  Joshua has mixed feelings.  He thinks it depends on the extent to which people are willing to persecuted to keep their rights.  He also considers the reaction of the outside world.Billy asks if Taiwan can cover for the damaged Hong Kong printing press. Joshua explains that importing a foreign newspaper creates its own difficulty.Billy asks if Hong Kong could have a version of “Radio Free America” for Hong Kong.  Joshua explains that there are various ways to get around Chinese censorship.Nan explains that now Hong Kong police are being trained in mainland China.  He asks “how bad is the Hong Kong government controlled by the CCP”.  Joshua describes that it is totally under the control of the CCP and that any pro-democracy politicians are facing criminal charges.Billy recalls the free trade nature of Hong Kong in the past and asks how trade ha

Amy explains that when her school was closed down in 1966. When the Red Guard began the “Big Revolutionary Serious”, with the schools closed, the students with the right family backgrounds were encouraged to join the Red Guard. Those with the wrong family could join too, but not join the Red Guard. Amy had two brothers, the older of which, who had been sent to a boarding school for discipline, planned to stop a train with some companions to take them to Beijing to see Mao give a speech. They lay down in the train tracks to stop the train, but it was the wrong train.

Amy’s best friend formed a group she joined and went to the train station. Amidst a “human ocean” they managed to climb up to the window, but could not fit in and fell hurting her arm. Eventually she made it into the train, but the train did not go all the way to Beijing. They ended up at a school clinic who treated what turned out to be a fractured bone. She still insisted on going to Beijing.

They next day, staying in a large room with many kids, including many from Northern China who did not like the Southern Chinese. The Northern Chinese were very mean to Amy’s group. Amy’s friends decided to go home. Amy found a group who was intending to follow Mao’s long march and joined them.

The new group demanded money from Amy to join them. They insisted Amy ask her parents for the additional money. Amy decided to contact her second brother, which he sent, saying he was sorry he did not take her to Beijing. After two or three days walking, all of the girls in the group wanted to go home. The remaining 10 boys wanted to continue without the girls. They made sure Amy was on a train back to Shanghai.

After returning home, Amy tried very hard to find someone to take her to Beijing. She found a cousin willing to take her in December of 1966. Every day for 51 days in Beijing she would meet with a very intellectual group who knew a lot of Chinese culture and history. Amy became a pen pal of the director of the Opera.

Nan explains the extent to which Chairman Mao was worshiped “as a god”.

Michael Olsen explains that the speech Mao gave instructed the kids to “Kill the four olds”, old ideas, old customs, old habits and old culture. Up to 20 million people were killed during that revolution. Some of the bloodiest fighting was between the different Red Guard factions and between the Red Guard and the military.

Michael describes Chairman Mao’s goal as being the spread of global communism and explains the Xi Jinping is a great admirer of Chairman Mao.

Michael describes how, during his studies of China, he would look for something that was true in both China and the US.

Confucius says, “What I do not which men to do to me, I do not wish to do to men. “Jesus says, “Do to others, what you would have them do to you. “

What Mao saw was a world of inequality that needs to be fixed. To achieve this equality, he would use pogroms to eliminate his enemies. He instituted 22 such pogroms between 1949 and 1967. The Cultural Revolution was the last of Moa’s pogroms. Prior to that, during the Great Leap Forward, the Four Pests Campaign was instituted to illuminate Rats, Flies, Mosquitoes and Sparrows. The Sparrow was considered a threat to crops.

The CCP branded the Sparrow a “capitalist animal” that had to be squashed. The people scared or killed sparrows in a mass mobilization that lasted 2 years. The CCP estimated they killed 1.5 billion Rats, 220 million pounds of flies, 24 million pounds of mosquitoes and 1 billion sparrows. A couple of very daring biologists dissected sparrows and discovered they they primarily ate locusts. Somehow this information made its way to Mao and he removed the Sparrow from the list, replacing them with bed bugs. However, the sparrow was already gone and a massive plague of locusts ensued, contributing to what beca

Amy introduces a girl named Lilly. She was from Beijing. The first time Amy saw her, she was singing propaganda songs in a performance group. Lilly seemed like a charismatic and happy person. Amy found out that her mother was a dancer and her father was a symphony violinist. A few years later, Amy heard that Lilly had been kicked out of the performance group for being mentally disturbed. Apparently, Lilly’s father had been tortured in a labor camp by having his fingers broken, while her mother had her legs broken. Both parents eventually committed suicide. Lilly was deeply disturbed and sent back to her village.

Amy asked for an update on Lilly some time later and heard that, since she had no family, there was no one to take care of her. Amy had gone to the US in 1982. In 1986, a friend showed her a book about people who had been left behind in the village. Amy found a mention of Lilly in the book. The author describes how the village did not want her, while she was also not accepted in Beijing. Lilly was sent by the villagers to a hermit in the hills to be his wife. She was abused nightly. Two years later she had a baby. The author describes how she was not able to talk about who she was, but she did have a connection with her children. The author painted a picture of her, but it was not allowed to be shown at the time.

During the Beijing Olympics, Amy went to a museum and saw an Up To Mountain Down To Village exhibition. Amy thought “what if people can not accept their reality, because it is to sad” or full of suffering. Perhaps mental illness is a way of living in a world without the suffering.

Nan introduces Erping Zhang and describes the diplomatic row in Alaska in which the Chinese diplomat said that the US does not have the qualification to speak to China from a position of strength. Nan asks what has happened in the past 20 years to provoke such a comment. Erping explains the Deng Xiaoping’s strategy of hiding your strengths and biding your time. After Xi came to power, a new term showed up called “wolf warrior diplomacy”. Abandoning the old policy, they feel that now is the time to alter the international order.

Erping describes how, over the past few decades, the international community had the mistaken idea that, with economic development China would become more westernized. Instead of becoming a responsible player in international affairs, the CCP has been aggressively acting to restructure the international order. The West has been naive in feeding this tiger with two hands.

Amy describes Henry Kissinger’s policy to open up China, which was the reason she was able to come to the US. However, in the last 20 years, she has questioned whether it was the right thing or the wrong thing. Erping discusses the policy of containing the former Eastern Block and explains that the same containment policy was not used against China after the fall of the Soviet Union. He explains how the Soviet Union confronted the West militarily, but was not able to infiltrate economically. Erping describes how foreign direct investment helped make China an empire. Erping describes how Wallstreet and big corporations are collaborating with China. The Soviet Union never had that luxury. The CCP is currently claiming that they have already infiltrated many US government and corporate institutions. 1.95 million Chinese operatives are already part of the foreign power structure.

Erping describes how the UN Human Rights Council is staffed by Human Rights abusing countries and says that it is, “just bizarre”. He suggests that the US has two strengths, material wealth and democratic institutions. He says that the material wealth is a result of the democratic institutions. Erping says that it is good that the more obvious human rights abuses in China are being mentioned by foreign governments, but that the CCP is not really paying a price.

Erping suggests that China’s e

Amy refreshes our memory in the story about the friend they called “The Missile”. He had done very well for himself as a chemist and was married in Shanghai. They had a little boy named rocky.

Amy would like to put a Hollywood ending on the story, but life is not a like fictional story. In 1998 Amy invited her friend Susan for Christmas. They discussed memories from the work camp, recalling an occasion when there were many leaches in the rice patties. Recalling this, her friend cried. Her friend remarked that in China she could not cry and asked, “How come in China I can not cry?”

Susan says the “The Missile” had been divorced. Amy suggests finding his contact info through some connections.

The next day, Amy considered the question of “why she can’t cry in China”. Amy and her friend realize that in the US they felt free to express their emotions without being punished.

Amy follows up to find out what had happened to “The Missile” and finds out that he had disappeared. She learns that his divorce was a result of a business circumstance were the state partnered with him, stole his patents and opened a competitor in another area. This caused a lot of stress in his life. To deal with the stress, he became a Chi Gung practitioner. He found a Chi Gung master who insisted he had to leave his family for extended periods to take his practice seriously. His wife soon divorced him and left for Paris. “The Missile” lost his company and suffered from mental problems. He was put in a mental hospital after being found walking down the street naked. After being released from an institution, he disappeared.

After some friends followed up further, he was found living in a small room in the country, laying on the floor waiting to die. The friends wanted to help him, but didn’t have any resources. Five friends in North America raised $2500 and sent it to help take care of him. Through some further connections, he was put on a government welfare program. He eventually met with his wife and son.

Last year Amy received a video clip from a local TV station interview where “The Missile” is asked to think back on his life and describe what he’s really missing. After being silent for a moment, with pain in his eyes and trembling lips he said, “Family… I lost… And was never able to find back.”

Billy introduces Michal Olsen. Michael thanks Amy for her personal stories. He mentions that, when preparing a presentation on Mao’s great famine, he mentioned it to a student at UCSC, who responded, “Who’s Mao?”. Michael recalls studying China as a student at the time of the Cultural Revolution. He recalls translating Mao’s Long March poetry. He recounts the end of Mao’s poem Kunlun.

Michael asks “What is the sword that Mao would use?” and recalls the Pogroms of Soviet Russia in which you “repudiate and get rid of what you do not want”. Michael asserts that Mao used these pogroms over the years and they culminated in the Great Cultural Revolution, though there were 22 pogroms against the Chinese people during Mao’s reign. The first was against the land owners in 1947.

Contrasting to the more organized Soviet strategy, Mao’s land reform insisted on “getting rid” of the landlords by any means. Nan mentions that Mao’s land reform truly started in 1921. Killing landlords was a way of showing that you were loyal to the Communist Party. Amy mentions that it was not just the land owners, but their whole families, including the children. Michael remarks that an estimated 3 million were killed.

The next pogrom was against business owners. Business owners were killed or forced to commit suicide. An estimated 2 million died.

Nan recalls a comment by a top party official. Who asked “How many people became airborne yesterday?” eve

Nan discusses the rapidly shifting perception in the US that China is the U.S.’s Greatest Enemy. Billy describes Gorden Chang’s career and expertise.Amy continues her story from last week, reminding the audience about her re-education camp friend nicknamed “The Missile” who had suggested a group suicide in protest.  Amy told him it won’t change anything, but will hurt all their families. Amy recalls her ordeal with the Red Guard and remembers having suicidal thoughts. She remembers applying for an opportunity to go to Xinjiang.  She was rejected. She remembers frequent suicides in her community at that time. She recalls he father being concerned about her well being. He told her that since she liked to read, she should read a book on Chinese history.  She recalls reading a book starting from 700bc and continuing to the last dynasty. Amy recalls being fascinated by the book.  Her father asked her what she thought about their current circumstance. It had given her a great deal of perspective on their current situation. She went on to read books of various philosophers. She realized that some people thought bad things can lead to good things.Amy recalled this experience to “The Missile”.  He insisted that he likes science, not philosophy. Amy convinced him that there was philosophy in science.  The next morning he went back to his dam building project feeling much better. The Missile had also told Amy that, since his grandfather was a land owner, he was forced to denounce his father and forced to beat his father.  It was the worst thing that ever happened to him.  His father hung himself two days later.  The Missile could not forgive himself. Three months after their rejection from college, with the help of a compassionate official, Amy went to a school. About 6 months later, The Missile was also excepted to a University. He later left University and founded a company. The story will be continued next week.Billy introduces Gordon Chang, author of the book “The Coming Collapse of China”.  Nan mentions the current negotiation in Alaska and asks Gordon what he things will happen.  Gordon suggests that there will likely not be any negotiation progress. They will just be exchanging points of view.  Nan mentions Chinese demands to remove various restrictions on Chinese business.  Gordon thinks the conversation will be broader in scope at this point.Billy asks if China is emboldened with the current geopolitical situation enough to not care what the rest of the world things. Gordon suggests that they are very confident perhaps even arrogant.  Billy asks if the current administration will continue the hard line of the past.  Gordon mentions the continuation of the determination that the situation in Xinjiang is genocide.Amy mentions having read Gordon’s impressive books.  She asks if the Biden administration will reset relations.  Gordon suggests the Biden admin is in a “top to bottom” review of China policy.Nan asks, if the Chinese are not living up to their WTO commitments, why are we negotiating.  Gordon mentions that, even if it is futile, our allies want to see an honest attempt to come to terms with China.  Gordon things we are in a “zero sum game” that will continue until one of the two countries fails.Nan asks about Gordon’s recent article regarding China’s difficulties providing enough food for their population and asks what effect this will have.  Gordon suggests that the expense of procuring food will limit China’s power.  He suggests that China will be less and less self sufficient over time.Amy recalls being sent near the border of Burma during the Cultural Revolution, where she heard from her acquaintances that there were villages where farmers stopped farming. Amy describes the decline in farming as being very important.  Gordon recalls that 30-60million people died from starvation during the Cultural Revolution.  Gordon

Nan mentions the recent Peoples Congress with the topic of the Great Rejuvenation of China. Admiral Philip Davidson’s recent testimony before a Senate panel, in which he said China would likely invade Taiwan in the next 6 years.

Amy describes how out of 36 people in Reeducation camp, three of them ended up in mental institutions. One of them was nicknamed “the missile”, because he was very smart, encouraging the others to continue their studies whenever they could. Amy recalls his advice being pivotal in her decision to acquire textbooks and continue studying in the evenings. If various qualifications were met, there was an opportunity to go to college.

Amy’s house hold was given special permission to attempt the qualification examinations, but during the examination there was an earthquake. Amy recalls not wanting to stop the exam. She was later excepted into a scientific college, but first she had to be vetted for her families political qualifications. She was rejected, because of her fathers overseas friendships. The Missile, along with 5 others, were also disqualified for similar reasons.

At the Chinese New Year, The Missile was working on a dam project. Amy recalls not having any food, but not wanting to visit home because of the stigma of not qualifying. All of a sudden the door opened and The Missile came in with a chicken, declaring that it was time to celebrate. They set about deciding how to cook the chicken with very limited supplies. After the dinner, he started talking about getting together with everyone who was disqualified and committing suicide together to make a statement about the injustice they had faced. Amy argued strongly against it. (to be continued)

Billy introduces General Paul Vallely. Nan asks General Vallely how likely a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is in the next six years. General Vallely suggests that the threat has always been there, but is now an ongoing threat. The General suggests that they have been particularly aggressive with military build up in the last 5 years.

Amy asks the General what he thinks the Biden administration would do in response to Chinese military aggression. The General suggests that we wouldn’t know what would happen, but the Biden administration is compromised by the Chinese. The General suggests though that the Taiwanese military as well as the Japanese military constitute a considerable deterrent.

The General shares concerns that 4 star Generals in the US have become politicized. He feels there has been a dramatic shift to the left. He also points out that the Mexican Cartels are working closely with the CCP. General Vallely considered the Chinese military very advanced, emphasizing their cyber abilities specifically.

The General points out the importance of leadership in military proficiency. Billy asks about the quality of Chinese military training. General Vallely suggests that “they really command through fear”. He says that when politics gets mixed in with military decision making, it causes problems. He advises that our military should get away from politics as well.

Nan asks what we can do to prevent an invasion of Taiwan. The General points out that we have extensive military power in the Western Pacific including a many allies. Amy asks if a brainwashed military is better than an individualist military. The General suggests that our military is suffering from its own form of political suppression.

Nan asks about the relationship of our high tech corporations with China, with regards to our ability to respond to Chinese military threats. The General suggests that the current US administration is less likely to push back against the propaganda spread by the CCP, Wallstreet and Big Tech.

Billy and the General discuss the economic relationship. The General points out the treat of supply chain interruption.

Nan inquires on the relationship of the CCP and Mexican Cartels. The General says th

Amy announces that today is March 4th, two days after the 52nd anniversary of the day she went to the reeducation camp. She mentions that many of the survivors, some 50 or so, had a Zoom meeting to discuss the meaning of the event.  Before the meeting the host sent Amy a list of words she was not supposed to use.  Amy was chosen to answer questions on behalf of participants from the United States.  There was a “code” to use to refer to sensitive terms. The first question revealed that many of the participants felt they were sacrificed for the greater good of the country.  When Amy was asked whether she felt like she was a hero or a looser, she responded that the rulers of the country were supposed to serve the people. Why would they always want the people to sacrifice?  She went on to describe the closing of schools during the Cultural Revolution and the difficulties of recreating the education system a decade later.She laments that the Cultural Revolution took education away from a whole generation who never recovered.  She suggests that knowing the history of the Cultural Revolution will give the audience more perspective on what is happening today.Nan points out the communist tactic of lionizing sacrifice on behalf of the party and contrasts it to Western considerations for individual liberty.  He suggests that the recent generation of the last 20 years was sacrificed to be low wage workers in order to dominate manufacturing, while the next will be a generation of engineers sacrificed to push China’s economy into higher tech.Nan describes a recent seminar of diplomats in which a member of the audience asked, “Do you think the top five tech companies are US corporations?”  The answer was “no”, these companies don’t even think of themselves as US corporations. They think of themselves of global corporations. Nan suggests that Microsoft could move to Shanghai.Billy introduces the question of the day, “Is China An Adversary Or A Competitor?”Nan mentions that, as General Spalding pointed out, most of our military and foreign policy establishment see China as a threat, while the business class sees China as an opportunity.Dick thinks China is pushing for businesses to relocate there and hollow out our high tech industry.Amy wonders what happened to the concept of decoupling. Billy wonders if China would still have an advantageous economic position even if we did.(break)Amy asks Nan to clarify the current US trade policy with China. Nan says Trumps tariffs have not changed yet, but China has sent a diplomatic mission to the US to ask for a variety of concessions. Billy reads a statement for Antony Blinken.Billy reads a portion of the Executive summary of the 2020 REPORT TO CONGRESS of the U.S.-CHINA ECONOMIC AND SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION and the team discusses it. Steve calls in to ask about a major oil find offshore.  Nan describes many of the Oil based relationships involving China.Billy asks Nan about the relationship between China and various African countries.Billy mentions that China has 41.2 Trillion dollars in assets, according to the China Banking And Insurance Commission.Amy mentions how scary “Unconventional Warfare” is.Nancy calls in to discuss the effects of Hugo Chávez’ presidency on Venezuela’s economy.The team discusses various aspects of Globalization.Nan mentions the 47 Hong Kong democracy movement leaders currently being sentenced under the National Security Law.

Nan introduces today’s guest, former General Robert Spalding.Amy is going to tell us about two of her friends who are doctors.  She explains that in China there is birth control medicine, that is not very good, with lots of side effects. One doctor was a Western Medicine doctor and the other is a Traditional Medicine doctor.  The CCP was forcing birth control as part of the one child policy.  One of the birth control options was a ring that caused major complications, including severe bleeding.  The two doctors tried to see if they could come up with a solution, though they were illegally prohibited from doing so.  They attempted a surgery for the Western Doctor, under a false ID, but were found out.  The Red Guard broke up the surgery, which was never properly done.Many years later, the Western Doctor asked Amy for help getting attention from a doctor in the US.  The US doctor had a lot of experience with that exact type of problematic birth control, though she was unable to do anything about it.Amy postulates that this sort of treatment of girls was part of the reason why so many infant girls were abandoned.Nan describes Pro-Democracy activists from Hong Kong who are not allowed to choose their own lawyers.  Amy points out the hypocrisy of any mention by the CCP of human rights.  Nan points out the propagandist habit of calling “Chairman Xi”, “President Xi”. The case being that a president is elected and a chairman is appointed.Nan further elaborates on General Spalding’s qualifications. Billy further elaborates on his extraordinary career.Nan asks General Spalding about the proposition that China is practicing Unconventional Warfare against the US. The General suggests that it is obviously the case. When Nan asks for examples, General Spalding describes the historical context of “the peoples war” used by Mao to overthrow the Nationalist Government. General Spalding suggests that during the Cold War, communist countries did not have access to our Universities, Economy, etc.  After the Cold War, this dramatically changed. General Spalding suggests that the coronavirus is an extraordinary information operation.  General Spalding describes a complicit relationship between the Imperial College London and the CCP. Billy asks about other ways the West is being manipulated. General Spalding points to many medical policy issues made under the influence of the CCP. He also describes Banking interests and major corporations who are complicit in information warfare as a result of their business dealings in China. He mentions University relationships and political campaign relationships as well.  “Along every avenue of our society”, the general suggests, the CCP manipulates “well meaning individuals.Billy asks if the US conducts similar operations abroad.  The General suggests that after the cold war we have de-funded those sorts of programs.  General Spalding suggests that we were not prepared for the sorts of programs the CCP practices now.Amy asks if policy will reverse under the Biden admin. General Spalding suggests that it will be a softer approach, but there has been a general recognition that the CCP is a major threat.  When Billy asks about Biden’s alleged financial ties to China, the General suggests that the foreign policy is in general bi-partisan agreement. General Spalding suggests that we had a failure in the intelligence community, but now that failure has come to light.Nan mentions a series of requests made by the CCP of the new administration.  The General suggests that the new admin will actually add new restrictions on CCP, including infiltration of US supply chains.  He also suggests that it is important to “inspire the world” toward democratic systems.  He suggests economic stagnation in the US has been a large part of the loss of prestige for Western Democracies.Nan mentions Biden’s Town Hall meeting mention of Xinjiang prov