Amy introduces Steve from New York, explaining that they both went to the same High School and also the same re-education camp.  After moving to the US, he returned several times to China to observe the situation regarding human rights.

Amy mentions a movie about the re-education camps called "We will see you again in A Dream".  Amy recounts that a 17 year old girl killed 50 years ago's murder case has never been solved. Amy explains that she was well liked for her good looks and dancing.  Amy recalls that the girls would often go to the bathroom together, but one night this young girl went to the bathroom alone and never came back.

Two suspects were arrested. One was a young man thought to have been her boyfriend. He was put in a horrible improvised prison for several months until he confessed. Though he confessed, he did not know where the body was.  A communist officer was also arrested. People had said that he was in the area of the bathroom that night.  Witnesses said that the girl had left his office screaming.  He confessed as well, saying the body was under a building foundation. When the location was investigated, there was no body.

Amy explains that the mother is still looking for the killer 50 years later.

Amy explains that the movies debut party was awkward in that every speech started with praise for Chairman Xi.

Amy thinks Xi wants a return to the power and abuse of Mao. Nan suggests "it is moving in that direction right now".

Steven joins the show. Steven explains that he was born in a Christian family in Shanghai. However, the communist brainwashing was pervasive. In the 80's he studied in Canada and later moved to the United States. He explains that his "journey in faith" went from communism, to atheism and eventually to becoming an elder in his church.

Steven explains that the CCP constitution protects religious freedom, however the constitution "does not hold water".  He explains that, since he became a Christian he has had a special concern for Christians in China. However, he is aware of the abuse of Uyghurs as well.  He explains that early on every church in China was closed and every priest or minister was send to prison or re-education. 

He continues to describe how persecution continues, but focused on "house churches" in a more targeted manner.  He recalls being deeply touched by a service he attended at a large "house church", knowing that the church was soon to be closed and many parishioners were likely to loose their jobs.  Shortly after Stevens return to the US, the church was raided and the senior pastor was imprisoned.

Steven explains how being able to freely assemble to practice is an "unimaginable luxury" by his fellow Christians in China.

Michael Olsen describes the special deal between the Chinese Catholic Church and the CCP, wherein the CCP would choose the church leadership. Steven explains that all religions in China have leadership that are under party control. He describes how CCP symbols would accompany religious symbology in a church "if they want to survive". 

Michael remarks that the concept of a "Home Church" hearkens back to the beginnings of Christianity and asks if that has a positive effect on people faith. Steven remarks on underground churches in Turkey built to escape Roman persecution.  He describes two prominent churches in China, explaining that they have gatherings "in the open". Those churches are targets for persecution.  There are, however, many smaller house churches. He describes how your neighbor could be a "house church" and you might not know.

Steven describes how Marxism and Leninism consider religion "opiates". Olsen asks why the CCP is more frightened of religions, speculating that it is because of growth in religious followers. Steven suggests that some leaders are more lenient or open minded, saying that the current regime wants to return to more ideology.

Steven says that Jesus will win in the long run.

Michael Olsen asks if General Mark Mil

Amy recalls her experience in China with the redistribution of wealth. She was born in 1952. Her brothers were born in 1948 and 1949. There was baby formula available from the US for her brothers, but for her there were less desirable options. She recalls coupons and rationing for food that would get "worse and worse". She recalls that there were rich and poor before the CCP took over, but after the CCP took over, they began redistributing the wealth. There was a brief period when the poor benefited, but the supplies very quickly ran out.

When Amy was on the train to the re-education camp, traveling through the 10,000 mountains area, the train stopped at a station, but didn't let anyone out. Then thousands of kids ran up to the train and started banging on the windows begging for food. Amy recalls that their poverty was so severe that there were grown up girls without clothes. Amy recalls being surprised to see such severe poverty when the propaganda had always said that those sorts of problems only happened in other countries. A few moments later, the Liberation Army showed up to chase the children away from the train. The experience was a real shock to Amy, just to realize that people in their country could be that poor.

At the re-education camp, the most loyal to the party poor farmers would talk to the camp internees. The camp buildings and land had been confiscated from a Thai chief and the former villagers.

Amy was assigned to speak to a Thai woman who spoke a little bit of Mandarin. Amy asked her how her life had changed before and after communism. She said that the reason she was classified as a poor farmer was that her village had been burned down and she had fled to a Thai village. The Thai village had accepted them, but they had no land. They worked for the local chief and eventually they were able to earn enough to rent some land to farm. The land in their area was very bountiful.

After the land was turned over to the CCP and the government commune took over all the land, the misery began. The rich peoples property was taken to give to the poor, but was actually given to the state. The communist officers called a daily roll call. You had to work even if you were sick. Two thirds of the produce was taken by the government. The farmers were left with only a 5 month supply of rice for the year. Formerly, there was enough to live on and life was good. Families took care of each other and had their own private gardens. After communism, you were not allowed to tend your own garden. Some of the locals made a Buddhist temple were they would place some extra rice for the poor. They were hung for stealing food.

Amy asks why the same land was bountiful and the people lived well, then they were poor. She suggests it was the redistribution of wealth.

In 1985, Amy's family visited Hong Kong and she recalls being shocked by the amazing food at a market. She had never seen so much food and with no long lines. She remembers being amazed by the idea of a choice of different ice cream flavors. She says in China they "only had ice, no cream".

Nan describes how some of the largest Chinese corporations are donating billions of dollars to help the poor. He suggests that the donations will actually be going to the government. The team discusses Jack Ma's resignation from Alibaba, suggesting that it was a life or death decision.

Nan describes how Chinese business tycoons were forced to buy shares in government companies at fixed share prices.

Nan mentions that the same slogan "Common Prosperity" was used for major wealth distribution in 1956.

Dick mentions that John Kerry participated in a recent climate change meeting with Chinese officials. He suggests the meeting could not proceed until the US concluded that the virus did not originate in a Chinese lab. Dick and Billy discuss the money trail to gain of function research in China.

Nan asks how much longer the CCP will wait before all the international co

Nan describes the upcoming Communist party assembly, explaining that they may declare the next stage in socialist development. It may mark the end of the free market in China.

Michael Olsen describes being close to the border of China while he was in the Navy and having a strong sense that something major was going on during the cultural revolution.

When he arrived at UCSC, he decided to learn Chinese language, culture, art, history and literature. He describes how he wanted to be "a part of whatever China was going to be".

He recalls eating at "The New Riverside Restaurant", which was one of the best Chinese restaurants in the world. In the foyer, there were magnificent Chinese portraits by one of the last classical painters in China. He had escaped the CCP. Michael Olsen found out that one of his classmates was a granddaughter of the painter. The class was invited to visit the master painter in Carmel.

They met in a spectacular banzai garden. The large art studio lined the garden. The master painter came out of the house wearing a "cobalt blue robe". His granddaughter was translating, but Michael Olsen began speaking to him in Chinese. Michael suddenly felt that "he had all the words", as he asked about the origin of the paints. Learning what had happened to the artist in China, Michael realized he could not be a part of what was happening there.

Bill Graff explains that 90 former generals have signed a document calling for the resignation of US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley Michael Olsen describes how devastating the withdrawal has been for US service people, mentioning that his son in law spent a year in hospital after being injured in Afghanistan.

Billy and Michael describe how we originally came up with the name for the show and discuss changing the name.

Billy introduces General Vallely, describing his many qualifications and accomplishments. Billy asks how the general feels about the Afghanistan withdrawal. General Vallely states by saying how embarrassed he is by the State Department and the Biden administration. The general describes how we could have moved the military equipment out of Afghanistan.

Nan asks the general if the Chinese have an interest in the military technology now in the hands of the Taliban. General Vallely suggests that the PLA will be taking over Bagram air base. Olsen "feels like we are being dismantled". The General suggest that the US is being dramatically degraded in many ways.

General Vallely suggests that Obama, through Susan Rice, is actually in control of the White House. The General mentions how compromised Hunter Biden is by the CCP.

Nan suggests that China's influence will grow from Central Asia through the South Pacific. The General describes Belt and Road development in Pakistan. The General describes how disappointed he is that the US State Department has not developed better ties with India.

The General suggests that ISIS is consolidating power in the region, suggesting that they're establishing a new caliphate. Michael Olsen asks whether China or the Jihads will prevail in the region. The General suggests that that remains to be seen.

General Vallely says that the open southern boarder results in many US deaths at the hands of cartels.

The General talks about how sever Taiwan's predicament is, suggesting that the alliance the US once lead is greatly diminished.

Billy mentions the the strength of US forces in the Pacific. The General suggests that the issue isn't the military capability, it's the lack of leadership.

Dick also wonders whether China or the Taliban would prevail. He thinks Biden is owned by the CCP.

Nan describes the Sing Tao Daily newspaper, explaining that it has become more and more an outlet for CCP propaganda, which is now required to register as a foreign agent by the State Department. Newsom recently praised their "journalistic integrity".

Joe speculates a

Her friend's daughter is a "global citizen", who travels the world writing stories about different people and recently spent time in Afghanistan. She asked Amy how, having been through the CCP's influence, how does she keep an independent mind.

Amy recalls being encouraged by her parents. When she went to preschool, she did not enjoy it. One day, when she did not want to take a nap, Amy ran across the street and found herself in a comic store. She was caught by the school and her mother was told to punish her. Instead, her parents had a meeting with her and asked her why she was running away. Amy explained that she did not like the preschool. To her surprise, her parents agreed. Amy stayed home to read and lead local younger kids in games. She would also make up stories to tell them.

So, her parents let her develop in her independent thinking. Amy recalls asking elementary school teachers many questions, not wanting to simply accept what they said. She recalls being told that you have to seek the truth and not just accept what people told you.

Her luck ran out in the Cultural Revolution, when you could no longer express yourself to other people. So, she took solace by writing in her own diary. When the diary was found, she was almost killed for being "anti-revolutionary". So, after that she never wrote in her diary anymore.

Amy recalls traveling was a way of searching for the truth. For 30 years in China she never gave up her own thoughts or individual thinking.

Recently, she's noticed more and more people in the US believing conspiracy theories. She suggests that it is because we no longer trust the media. Amy is concerned that our constitutional protection of freedom of speech is not as strong as it used to be.

Nan introduces Richard Muller, describing his many awards and qualifications. Nan asks if Prof. Muller has heard about the inconclusive report on the Covid origins. He was surprised they never called him, though he is, at least glad that we've gone from improbable to inconclusive on the lab leak theory.

He suggests that there is a whistleblower. The fact is the virus did come from a lab. The virus has "fingerprints", indicating that it was created in a laboratory. He mentions the circumstantial evidence, but "lets focus on the science". In our previous history with coronaviruses with SARS and MERS, they came from an animal and the animal was identified in a few months. When a virus makes such a jump, it is not well adapted to jump to humans. Though, before it jumps to humans, there are "pre-pandemic infections". These "pre-pandemic infections" did not happen with COVID. Viruses usually take some time to adapt to humans, but mutations are very rapid. In the case of Covid, these early mutations never happened.

Prof. Muller mentions a study in Seattle, which mutated COVID 3,800 times to see if it became more virulent. He suggests that COVID was 99.5% perfected for infecting humans.

Prof. Muller describes how the Wuhan Institute of Virology was exposing corona viruses to "humanized mice" in order to perfect viruses to infect humans. When it was released, it "hit the ground running".

Prof. Muller describes the 80,000 animals tested to find the origin of the virus, but we could not find an origin. This is an unprecedented scenario, as all previous versions where much more easily identified.

Prof. Muller describes the nature of the mutation that makes this virus so dangerous. He describes how COVID has a furin cleavage site as a means of attaching that we don't see in any other viruses.

He describes the sequence CGG CGG, which is rare in any natural viruses, but is normal in genetically modified viruses.

He suggests that if you do the statistical analysis of the probability that all these factors could be coincidental, that it came from a laboratory "wins hands down".

Prof. Muller believes that it was an accidental release. He suggests that if you were going to do it on purpose, you

Amy mentions that there may be people who are not able to escape from Afghanistan, which reminds her of her uncle Charlie's story. Charlie was a high school senior at a missionary school in 1943, until the Japanese invaded Shanghai. At which time the whole school was evacuated by the US priests to Kunming. The US air force (Flying Tigers) was operating from the area and training the Chinese air force, which created a need for interpreters. Charlie volunteered as a part time interpreter, given that he spoke perfect Chinese and English. He was later hired full time after he turned 18. In 1945, when the Japanese surrendered, the Flying Tigers went home and the missionary school moved back to Shanghai.

Charlie had met a beautiful "dancing girl" in a night club and fallen in love with her. They got married and went into Charlie's family real estate business in Shanghai. They were very happy and had two children. In 1948, Charlie's friends from the missionary school prepared to leave before the communist take over. They encouraged Charlie to leave to Taiwan, but Charlie did not want to leave his family or their properties.

The communists took over in 1949 and after the start of the Korean war, anyone who had had any association with the US military had to register themselves. Failure to do so would result in jail. So, Charlie let them know about his time as an interpreter. He was arrested six months later, accused of treason and espionage. He was sentenced to ten years at a labor camp. All his properties were confiscated. He was released early, because he was sick with Tuberculosis. His family had been kicked out of their house and were living in a door mans reception room.

At that time, people without a job in Shanghai were asked to go to North West China to work in coal mines. He moved in with his Grandmother, while his wife took the kids with her and went to work in the coal mines. Charlie still had a missionary friend who was in Shanghai and working as a doctor, who was able to help Charlie and give him some medicine. At the time Americans and British were "enemy number 1" in communist China, but there was still some western products available through Hong Kong. So, Charlie was able to get some medicine to treat his Tuberculosis.

Charlie's wife was working in harsh conditions in the coal mine, but was able to secure a position as a cook. They barely had enough food. A communist officer at the camp offered her more food, if she would be his mistress. She had no other way to take care of her kids.

During the Cultural Revolution, Charlie, still weak from his sickness, struggled to find any work. However, the Red Guard ignored him. After the Cultural Revolution his wife returned to Shanghai. In 1981, Charlie managed to contact a priest form the missionary school who offered him a means of applying for political asylum in Taiwan. Charlie refused on the grounds that his wife and sons would still be in mainland China.

Amy notes the similarity to those people in Afghanistan who have been working with the US.

The team is joined by Joshua Philipp, an award-winning investigative reporter with The Epoch Times and host of EpochTV's "Crossroads". He is a recognized expert on unrestricted warfare.

Joshua points out that, just before the Taliban's takeover, they had delegates invited to communist China. Billy asks about the resources in Afghanistan. Joshua describes that the Chinese had joined the coalition in Afghanistan, but, rather than fight the Taliban, had engaged with them in order to mine resources. Joshua expects there will be many Chinese infrastructure projects, including a possible oil pipeline from Iran to China.

Nan asks about Joshua's visit to the Bay Area, to be the keynote speaker at the Fremont Hill Country Club, in Los Altos Hills on August 29th, from 11:30-2:30. Joshua explains that the topic will be focused on China. He expresses his concerns about Taiwan, wealth redistribution, and a variety of

Lots of people have asked Amy if anyone wanted to escape from the re-education camp. Amy says she only knows one person, who happened to be her neighbor. She never knew him, but apparently they were on the same train to the re-education camp.

She recalls her mother pawning off her wedding ring to get enough money to buy some food from Hong Kong. Amy recalls that gradually all her mothers jewelry went to the pawn shop.  The shop owner gave his son a Rolex as insurance to pay for a way home.  There were "coyote's" who would help people escape from China. Amy considered escaping to Burma, but did not know what she could do once she got there.  Amy recalls hitchhiking closer to the border.  She recalls the first battle was untrained kids who "all got killed".

Amy describes how difficult it would be to communicate with someone in Burma to get transport to Hong Kong. The pawn shop owners son traded his Rolex for passage to Burma, with the hope of meeting a relative in Hong Kong, but later his dead body was found, most likely having been killed for his watch.

Nan recalls two school mates attempting to escape through Vietnam in 1973.  They were caught. The entire school watched as the two kids were shamed. Nan explains that, in China, everything you do goes into your personal file which follows you for the rest of your life.

Olsen thinks that China has "turned its self into a prison". 

Anna Chen joins from "somewhere in Europe".  Michael Olsen explains that Anna is co-author of an article in The Gateway Pundit, explaining the expertise of Dr. Lawrence Sellin. Michael Olsen describes the article "China’s Next More Dangerous Bio-weapon and How the U.S. is Helping Them Build It".  Anna used to work in the pharmaceutical industry in both China and Europe. She has expertise in the fusion of civilian and military research in China.

Olsen asks how Anna and Dr. Sellin became focused on the Chines bio-weapons industry.  Anna explains that there is a lot of disinformation with regards to the Coronavirus and suggests that people should "dig in and find out the truth".  Anna explains that the CCP and PLA have published many works, but only in Chinese. When she began translating some of these documents and posting them on Twitter, she drew the attention of Dr. Sellin and they began co-operating.

Anna explains that she received threatening texts from the CCP, but that "I have to do this" research.  Nan asks what kind of link she has found between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Chinese military. Anna explains that many of the WIV employees are part of the PLA.  Nan recalls that, in 2015, Xi Jinping described military and civil fusion.  In January of 2017, the PLA officially established a civil-military fusion committee.  Olsen elaborates that all civilian research in China is shared with the CCP and PLA.

Anna explains that any institution in China can be transformed into the military if the CCP wants it to.  Anna explains that she has a lot of experience in biology even though she does not have a phd.  She further explains that she .  Olsen asks if it is difficult to find information in Chinese. Anna explains that much of the information has been removed in the past year.  She suggests that we do not know how many viruses they are working on so it is urgent that we find out.

Nan asks about two other viruses Anna had mentioned in the article.  Anna describes the flaviviruses group and mentions that Zika is in that group.  Anna mentions General Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who had published an article in a Chinese journal in 2010 with other senior PLA officers, in which flaviviruses are described in such a way as to suggest that COVID19 might be a test of a similar bio-weapon.  Anna explains that many flaviviruses are much more dangerous. Flaviviruses are usually transmitted via insects, but CCP scientists are working to make them human to human transferable.

Olsen asks Anna about the articles assertion that COVID19 has multiple attributes tha

Amy introduces her friend Steve, her old school mate, who now lives in the US. They were sent to the re-education camp together.  She mentions that he was very shy when they were young. 

Amy recalls going to the clinic to get some medicine, but being stopped by a flooded river when she returned to the labor camp. She waved to her friend Steve. He held out a branch to help her across. It was a harrowing experience, when the branch was lost.

Years later, Amy asked him what really kept him going. His answer was "humiliation".  Then he told her a story from his life. Steve's father had been an engineer in the West, but in 1943 decided to return to China to help fight the Japanese. Because of his language skills, he was assigned to the Special Technical Co-operative Organization, which was a joint project between the US and China.  After the war, he returned to Shanghai to be a camera engineer.  Steve's father, who was never interested in politics, married and had two children. 

After the Communists took over, the Special Technical Co-operative Organization was condemned as anti-communist and foreign imperialist.  There was a concerted propaganda effort to portray the organization as torturing communists. Steve's father was arrested and sent to prison in 1952 and his family was labeled "anti-revolutionary".  In 1981, Steve's father was released.  Very old and having suffered greatly, he was hardly able to speak.  Steve attempted to migrate the family to Canada, but his father did not want to go.  He didn't want to explain his life to anyone.  He eventually relented and with a broken spirit, he lived in Canada until 1991.

Nan introduces today's guest Steven Schaerer.  He was a successful American businessman in China, until he was detained under a false accusation. 

Steven was born in the Bay Area and went to China originally to teach adults English when he was 22 in 2012.  He worked in Beijing for 5 years and founded his own successful educational consulting business. About two years later, his business was raided by the police. Steven points out that police raiding businesses is much more common in China, especially for foreigners.  He was asked to go to the police station the next day.

Nan asks what sort of reasons would the police raid a business. Steven points out that the CCP (not the Chinese people in general) are distrusting of foreigners, especially those running businesses.  He describes the authoritarian environment where foreign text books or foreign ideas were considered dangerous.  He describes a comic strip depicting a little Chinese girl being courted by a foreigner, whose intention is to steal state secrets from her. 

Nan asks what Steven's original hopes were for his business.  Steven explains how important learning English is in China, explaining that knowing English is a status symbol and teaching English is a multi-billion dollar industry.  His company was helping economically mobile individuals and companies to fill this vital need.

Amy asks what sort of legal procedure Steven experienced.  He explains that there is no due process. He was brought to the police station, interrogated for hours, had no lawyer and was forced to sign and fingerprint documents he was not given time to read. There were no actual criminal charges. His formal charge he was only told on his way to prison. He was accused of "illegal employment", even though all his documentation was in order.

Amy asks if there were foreigners in the prison. Steven explains that it was mixed, but mostly Chinese. He describes an ordeal of dehumanizing medical procedures, before being brought to his prison cell.  There were 16 other prisoners, in a cell large enough for 8.  There was not enough space to sleep.  Because Steven spoke both Mandarin and English, he recalls being asked by guards to help convince other foreigners (depressed and despondent) to continue eating.  Steven explains that "just the malnourishment and sleep deprivation were enoug

Amy describes her old friend and neighbor, who had a particularly horrible childhood. When Amy was 3 years old in 1955 a new neighbor moved in downstairs into their apartment. The father worked for the international trading department of the Shanghai city government. His wife was a University graduate for journalism and worked for a prestigious newspaper. Amy's friend was named Mei Mei. She was born in 1956.

When the CCP announced that they were not a "one voice party" and welcomed different opinions, Mei Mei wrote a lot of opinion pieces. However, Mao then announced that anyone who spoke against the CCP was a "poison snake". Mei Mei's mother was arrested, sent to a labor camp and the father was told to divorce her. He begged the local leader not to force him to divorce her, pleading that his wife had made a mistake. After hiring a nanny to care for their child, and many letters pleading for his wife's release, after 8 years she was allowed to come home, provided she did not return to work.

In 1966, during the Cultural Revolution, Mei Mei's father's brother was accused of being an intellectual and attacked. He jumped out of a window. Mei Mei's father was told to identify the body and denounce his brother. When he returned home, he told his family not to retrieve the body if he dies.

In 1967, Mei Mei's father and his boss was accused of being a "class enemy". They were tortured and beaten. He was told that his wife would be sent back to the labor camp. He bought a ferry ticked and jumped into the ocean.

Mei Mei tried not to remember these things, but there was a documentary depicting great changes in China over the next 20 years. The documentary correctly predicted economic progress, but incorrectly predicted more political openness.

Amy suggested that Mei Mei could tell her family's story to her daughter. Mei Mei was unable to tell the documentarians her story. So, Amy ended up being interviewed.

Nan introduces General Robert Spalding and welcomes him back to the program. Nan asks General Spalding if he has seen the new missile silo construction in China. General Spalding suggests that we really don't know if they are active silos, what they might contain or whether they might be decoys. Billy asks why the missile silos are so concentrated. General Spalding suggests that the silos are unexpectedly concentrated, again suggesting that we don't know what the intention is. General Spalding says that "geography is not the most important factor" and recommends thinking about the world in terms of data, not geography. He points toward China's intentions with Artificial Intelligence, suggesting that "data is the equivalent to power" in that part of the world.

General Spalding talks about the difference in top US tech companies in 2007 compared to today. He points to the ability of contemporary data collection for the purpose of influencing individual citizens actions is "what we're talking about".

Nan wonders if the location of the apparent silos in Xinjiang is related to our criticism of the forced labor camps. General Spalding suggests that China has focused on mobile nuclear missile batteries. He mentions that fixed missile silos would be more indicative of missile defense.

General Spalding suggests that Chinese missile capability is more advanced than the US. With nuclear weapons, they are increasing their stockpile. That said, General Spalding does not think that the US and China would risk a shooting war, given the potential costs. He suggests that the focus is on cyber war and political influence. "What we are talking about is political warfare", suggesting that undermining our faith in our institutions and convincing people a one party system is superior is their intention.

Billy asks if we can defend ourselves on the internet. General Spalding says we can't because our government doesn't have control of businesses or citizens, where the CCP has total control of business and private life. For thi

Nan describes how China has built 98,000 dams.

Amy reminds us that she reconnected with some childhood friends over Fathers Day and many of them reached out to ask her to tell their fathers stories.  Amy begins the story of one of her labor camp friends whose father died when she was 4 years old.

Her father had worked for a CCP propaganda newspaper.  In 1957, during the "Rightist" movement, people were encouraged to express opinions and suggestions to the CCP.  Mao had suggested that the CCP welcomed all kinds of voices. After intellectuals made various statements, Mao labeled them "snakes" and they were rounded up and sent to labor camps.

Nan mentions that the officials sent to find "Rightists" had quotas they had to meet. So, people were accused of being "Rightists" under extraordinarily thin justifications.

Amy recalls that her friends family was kicked out of their house when her father was arrested for being a "Rightist".  About 8 months later, the mother received a letter saying that her husband was dead.  She was told she could not retrieve the body or the ashes.

For a long time, Amy's friend's mother could not afford to take care of her and wanted to give her away, but a friend intervened and offered to take her. Some time later, Amy's friends brothers put together some money to give their father a burial. Having nothing else, they buried some of his clothes.

In 2005, Amy's friend went searching for the labor camp in the region they suspected her father was held in a labor camp.  After searching for several months, she had found a map suggesting there was a labor camp. A local official told her there was no labor camp.  Some old ladies seemed they might know something, but were too scared to tell her. She paid one of them and got a lead. Then paid some more people, but received no meaningful information. 

She explained to Amy that a schoolmate of hers had found her father, but discovered that the CCP had changed him into a completely different person. When she found her father still alive, the father did not want to know her. He said, "I wish you had not found me."

Nan introduces Levi Browde, Chairman of the Falun Dafa Information Center.  Nan explains that the CCP first cracked down on Falun Gong practitioners on July 20th 1999.  Nan mentions candlelight vigils held in San Francisco and Washington D.C.  Levi describes rallies and marches in D.C., as well as activities in Paris and London.  Billy asks if the demonstrations have any effect.  Levi suggests that there are millions of Falun Gong practitioners in China who clandestinely share information and they draw strength from reporting on rallies in the west.  He also mentions that US State Department statements do reach the clandestine Falun Gong network in China and effects the CCP police apparatus' willingness to commit human rights abuses.

Amy asks about how Falun Gong are found in China.  Levi describes many aspects of China's digital surveillance technology, describing arrests made over Weibo and WeChat posts.

Nan asks how many people have been arrested and killed in the last 22 years.  Levi says that it is hard to estimate, but every day there are scores of reports of people being arrested and imprisoned. Though he suggests that "it is just the tip of the iceberg". There has been over 4 thousand confirmed people who have been tortured and killed, but looking at the organ harvesting numbers, the estimate would be around 60 thousand people killed a year.

Billy asks how many people in China still practice Falun Gong. Levi explains that, before the crackdown, state media said there were over 100 million practitioners.  Activist groups today estimate there are still 20 million active practitioners, in spite of the persecution.

Nan asks about the international investigation into forced organ harvesting.  Levi describes the "China Tribunal", the international tribunal which investigated Falun Gong persecution and organ harvesting, which concluded after an

Amy explains that she has reconnected with some old friends since Fathers day.  They asked Amy to tell the story of their fathers.  Today Amy tells the story of one of her lady friends from 55 years ago.  Amy discusses the two major forces of love and hate, life and death. Amy suggests that we have a very short time to live, "so live it well", but then points out that it is often difficult to live with dignity and die with dignity.

Amy's friend's lived close by when Amy was in elementary school. Ping pong was very popular at the time and Amy represented her local team.  She met her friend, because they were frequent opponents and always shook hands after the match. When they realized they lived close together, they started playing ping pong together and became friends. 

Amy had heard that her friends father had committed suicide, but never knew the story.  Amy's friend became a movie star and was very successful, but one day gave it all up to become a Buddhist nun.  When Amy met her again, she asked why she gave it all up. Amy asked if it had to do with her childhood and she said, "yes".

Amy recalls when they were young, something had happened with her friend. She was at home with her grandmother, waiting for her mother, who was very late to return home.  When the mother came home, her cloths were wet and she was very cold. The mother told all the kids to go to bed, then started crying and spoke to the grandmother. "He's dead", she told her.

She had inquired at his work and was told that his body had already been taken to the crematorium. At the crematorium, she asked to see his body. She was told that she could not see the body, because she had to denounce him. She waited in the rain, but was not let in. They did tell her that, if she returns with her daughter, they might be let in, because they would not require young kids to publicly denounce their father.

Amy's friend had heard everything from their conversation.  Her mother gave her some cloths to take to the crematorium for her father the next day.  At that moment, she felt she became an adult.  She recalls not being shocked, because she had nightmares about this happening.  She brought the cloths and a fee to try and get her fathers ashes.  She was shocked, because there were so many other children waiting along with her.  She waited in the extreme cold, watching the smoke of many bodies come out of the chimney.  She was let in about two hours later and was told wait again inside.

Finally the crematorium employee came out and told her, "he threw up everything, probably took some pills." He asked if that was correct and she just nodded. Then he said, "Don't tell your mother. One of his ears had been torn apart."  He told her to come back later to retrieve the ashes.  The next day she took her fathers ashes back to his home village.

Nan describes how the experience of living under a Communist regime can stay with you for decades.  Billy thanks Amy for telling such a difficult story, because when people hear the truth, it makes a difference.

Nan introduces Jennifer Zeng, describing how she is an activist who had been jailed several times for practicing Fauln Gong. 

Nan asks Jennifer to describe one of her recent popular Youtube videos.  Jennifer explains that the video is a report on a Chinese military channel video called "Wisdom and Strategy for the Six Armies".  The video says that the CCP will preemptively use nuclear weapons against Japan if Japan offers any military support to Taiwan. This theory is called the "Japan Exception", because, until now, China has had a no first strike policy.

Billy asks why China would nuke Japan just on the basis of economic loss.  Jennifer suggests that "you can not judge the CCP with normal human logic", explaining that their goals are for world domination.  She further explains that the real interest is to solv