physics instructor and climatologist from Camosun College in British

Columbia, who had his worldview transformed after taking Ketamine as

part of a treatment program for depression.

The process opened him up to notions beyond materialism, and made him

rethink how he viewed the transcendent, subjects like NDEs, OBEs,

spirituality, and science, among other things. Suddenly, what had long

seemed like woo was a visceral encounter with a different, but very much

real, world beyond the senses.

That experience, coupled with a re-introduction to the sacred that was

facilitated by the ketamine program organizers, has grounded Avis in his

own body and emphasized to him the importance of community and

connectedness.

His transformation occurred as the UAP discussion in the United States

gained international attention through the whistleblower testimony of

David Grusch before a congressional committee, and the introduction of

the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023. Both developments reawakened in Avis a

curiosity and passion for the UFO subject, which he realized was telling

all of us something very important about the nature of reality.

Like so many others, Avis then went on a deep dive of research and study

that led him to the work of Jeffrey Kripal, Diana Pasulka, James

Madden, and many others.

In this conversation, we discuss the nature of “the flip,” per Kripal;

the importance of the UFO subject; how academia and the sciences will

respond if materialism meets its timely end; the risks taken by

open-minded scientists asserting interest in these sorts of topics; and

how educational institutions are facing a number of challenges in this

moment that will be even further complicated by a revolution in the

sciences.

We also marvel at how so many of the issues now facing humanity are

connected, either directly or tangentially, to the UAP subject and its

many facets.

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