Christ Over All

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Discover where Eastern Orthodoxy came from and how it differs from other Christian traditions.

Sponsor

This month’s sponsor is Grimke Seminary. Pastors are called to care for the church of God that God called them to. So why do seminaries require men to leave their church to pursue theological studies? At Grimké Seminary, you can get Christ-centered, theological training in the Reformed, Protestant tradition, without leaving your local church. They offer a range of pastoral studies for students of all backgrounds to serve your growth in ministry, from a Bachelor’s to a Doctor of Ministry.

To apply, go to grimkeseminary.org and use the code “christoverall” to have your application fee waived.

Resources to Click

• “Eastern Orthodoxy: How Did It Emerge in History?” – Donald Fairbairn
• Theme of the Month: Go West, Young Men: Evaluating the Drift toward Eastern Orthodoxy
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• The Global Church–The First Eight Centuries: From Pentecost through the Rise of Islam – Donald Fairbairn
• The Story of Creed and Confessions: Tracing the Development of the Christian Faith – Donald Fairbairn and Ryan Reeves
• Eastern Orthodoxy through Western Eyes – Donald Fairbairn
• The Eastern Christian Churches: A Brief Survey – Ronald Roberson

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Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his COA Longform essay, "On the Third Day: Seeing Resurrection from Beginning to End"

Sponsor

This month’s sponsor: Indianapolis Theological Seminary (indysem.org).

For men interested in pastoral training, take a look at the Shepherd’s Fellowship. This church-embedded, pastorally-mentored, fully-funded MDiv is beginning Fall 2026.
For more information, check out indysem.org/shepherdsfellowship.

Timestamps

• 00:32 – Intro
• 03:05 – Resurrection in the New Testament
• 05:40 – Where Can We Start With the Pattern of Resurrection?
• 08:16 – The List of the Third Day Patterns
• 11:30 – Observing the Creation Patterns in the Days of Genesis
• 14:35 – What Should We See in Day 2?
• 19:12 – The Type of the Third Day Starts in Day 3 of Creation
• 23:20 – Pauline Thought Linked to Creation
• 26:26 – Creation Provides the Foundation for New Creation
• 30:08 – John 2 & the Third Day
• 35:04 – Textual Warrant and Allegory
• 40:42- Closing Thoughts and Outro

Resources to Click

• “On the Third Day: Seeing Resurrection From Beginning to End” – David Schrock
• “From Slight Peg to Cornerstone to Capstone: The Resurrection of Christ on ‘the Third Day’ according to the Scriptures,” – Stephen Dempster
• “Raised on the Third Day according to the Scriptures”: Resurrection Typology in the Genesis Creation Narrative” – Nicolas P. Lunn
• “Creation & Covenant: Genesis 1-3” – Occoquan Bible Church
• “The First Day of the Lord (Genesis 3): Seven Reasons the Fall Occurred on the Seventh Day” – David Schrock
• Theme of the Month: Resurrection in the Old Testament
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• Genesis 1–11, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture – Andrew Louth and Marco Conti
• Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible, Vol. 1 – Matthew Henry
• “Typology,” in Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament – eds. G.K. Beal, D.A. Carson, Benjamin L. Gladd, and Andrew David Naselli
• Leviticus (NAC) – Mark F. Rooker

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The theme of resurrection is prominent in scripture from its very first pages until the end. See how it is present in the creation account of Genesis.

Sponsor

This month’s sponsor: Indianapolis Theological Seminary (indysem.org).

For men interested in pastoral training, take a look at the Shepherd’s Fellowship. This church-embedded, pastorally-mentored, fully-funded MDiv is beginning Fall 2026.
For more information, check out indysem.org/shepherdsfellowship.

 Resources to Click

• “On the Third Day: Seeing Resurrection From Beginning to End” – David Schrock
• “From Slight Peg to Cornerstone to Capstone: The Resurrection of Christ on ‘the Third Day’ according to the Scriptures,” – Stephen Dempster
• “Raised on the Third Day according to the Scriptures”: Resurrection Typology in the Genesis Creation Narrative” – Nicolas P. Lunn
• “Creation & Covenant: Genesis 1-3” – Occoquan Bible Church
• “The First Day of the Lord (Genesis 3): Seven Reasons the Fall Occurred on the Seventh Day” – David Schrock
• Theme of the Month: Resurrection in the Old Testament
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• Genesis 1–11, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture – Andrew Louth and Marco Conti
• Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible, Vol. 1 – Matthew Henry
• “Typology,” in Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament – eds. G.K. Beal, D.A. Carson, Benjamin L. Gladd, and Andrew David Naselli
• Leviticus (NAC) – Mark F. Rooker

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Join David Schrock, Trent Hunter, and Stephen Wellum as they discuss Stephen Dempster's COA Longform Essay "The Seeds of Resurrection Hope in the Scriptures"

Timestamps

This month’s sponsor: Indianapolis Theological Seminary (indysem.org).

For men interested in pastoral training, take a look at the Shepherd’s Fellowship. This church-embedded, pastorally-mentored, fully-funded MDiv is beginning Fall 2026.
For more information, check out indysem.org/shepherdsfellowship.

• 00:49 – Intro
• 04:22 – Dr. Dempster’s Bio
• 05:43 – Canada’s Great Theologians, But Bad Leaders
• 09:20 – Trent’s Relation to Stephen Dempster
• 11:25 – Helpful Things about Dr. Dempster’s Article
• 15:05 – How the Biblical Worldview Leads to Resurrection
• 21:06 – Lack of Resurrection Themes Seen by OT Scholars
• 24:21 – How Has OT Themes Helped Preaching on the Resurrection
• 28:41 – What Views of Typology Do We Need to Have?
• 32:36 – Indianapolis Theological Seminary Shepherds’ Fellowship
• 33:53 – Determining Typological Examples
• 37:35 – Moving From OT to NT in Preaching
• 46:03 – Dr. Dempster’s Typological Connections
• 55:20 – Resurrection is Not Just Therapeutic
• 58:50 – Counsel for Preaching Texts that Don’t Easily Get to the Resurrection
• 1:03:21 – Outro

Resources to Click

• “The Seeds of Resurrection Hope in the Scriptures” – Stephen Dempster
• “From slight peg to cornerstone to capstone: the resurrection of Christ on ‘the third day’ according to the Scriptures” – Stephen Dempster
• “As It Is Written: Old Testament Foundations For Jesus’ Expectation Of Resurrection” – Byron Wheaton
• “Isaac Typology in The New Testament” – Edwin Wood
• “Twice as Much of Your Spirit: Pattern, Parallel and Pronomasia in The Miracles of Elijah and Elisha” – Nachman Levine
• “’On the Third Day’: The Easter Traditions of the Primitive Church” – Gustav Stählin
• Theme of the Month: Resurrection in the Old Testament
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• Dominion and Dynasty – Stephen Dempster
• Waking from the Dust: Daniel 12:2 and Resurrection Hope in Biblical Theology – Mitchell Chase
• “Resurrection: Old Testament” in the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary – David Noel Freedman, trans Terrence Prendergast
• A Theology of the Old Testament – John McKenzie
• Theologies In the Old Testament – Erhard Gerstenberger
• Bible Delight: Heartbeat of the Word of God – Christopher Ash
• Resurrection and the Restoration of Israel: The Ultimate Victory of the God of Life – Jon Levenson
• The Stories of Elijah and Elisha as Polemics against Baal Worship – Leila Leah Bronner
• “Resurrection: Early Judaism and Christianity,” in The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary – ed. David Noel Freeman
• I Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus – George Eldon Ladd
• The Resurrection of the Son of God – N.T. Wright
• “Time,” in The Temple: Sacred Poems – George Herbert

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The resurrection of Christ on the third day is a key piece of the gospel message. Did the idea of a third day resurrection come from nowhere, or was this event foreshadowed by the Old Testament?

This month’s sponsor: Indianapolis Theological Seminary (indysem.org).For men interested in pastoral training, take a look at the Shepherd’s Fellowship. This church-embedded, pastorally-mentored, fully-funded MDiv is beginning Fall 2026. For more information, check out indysem.org/shepherdsfellowship.

Resources to Click

• “The Seeds of Resurrection Hope in the Scriptures” – Stephen Dempster
• “From slight peg to cornerstone to capstone: the resurrection of Christ on ‘the third day’ according to the Scriptures” – Stephen Dempster
• “As It Is Written: Old Testament Foundations For Jesus’ Expectation Of Resurrection” – Byron Wheaton
• “Isaac Typology in The New Testament” – Edwin Wood
• “Twice as Much of Your Spirit: Pattern, Parallel and Pronomasia in The Miracles of Elijah and Elisha” – Nachman Levine
• “’On the Third Day’: The Easter Traditions of the Primitive Church” – Gustav Stählin
• Theme of the Month: Resurrection in the Old Testament
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• Waking from the Dust: Daniel 12:2 and Resurrection Hope in Biblical Theology – Mitchell Chase
• “Resurrection: Old Testament” in the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary – David Noel Freedman, trans Terrence Prendergast
• A Theology of the Old Testament – John McKenzie
• Theologies In the Old Testament – Erhard Gerstenberger
• Bible Delight: Heartbeat of the Word of God – Christopher Ash
• Resurrection and the Restoration of Israel: The Ultimate Victory of the God of Life – Jon Levenson
• The Stories of Elijah and Elisha as Polemics against Baal Worship – Leila Leah Bronner
• “Resurrection: Early Judaism and Christianity,” in The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary – ed. David Noel Freeman
• I Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus – George Eldon Ladd
• The Resurrection of the Son of God – N.T. Wright
• “Time,” in The Temple: Sacred Poems – George Herbert

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Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his COA Longform Essay, "Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives"

Timestamps

• 00:45 – Intro
• 02:15 – Each COA Member’s SBC Biography
• 08:08 – Why Is COA Doing this Month?
• 12:50 – What 2 or 3 Articles From This Month are Recommended?
• 15:22 – Recognizing Leaders Whose Humility Regains Trust
• 20:50 – Applying Theology to the SBC Issues
• 25:46 – Recruiting Trustees Who Will Hold Entities Accountable
• 28:34 – The Baptist Courier Ad
• 29:50 – Accountability for Trustees
• 34:08 – Trustee Selection
• 36:00 – Reorganizing the Convention to Magnify Trust
• 44:14 – What Should SBC Messengers Be Looking For Between Now and Orlando?
• 51:32 – Walking in a Spirit of Cooperation/Outro

Resources to Click

• “Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives” – David Schrock
• “Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’” – Adelle M. Banks
• “Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God” – Christ Over All
• “Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity” – Christ Over All
• “The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
• “More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem” – Michael Clary
• “Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC” – Rhett Burns
• “What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?” – Jon Whitehead
• “Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love” – Alex Kocman
• “One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC” – Doug Ponder
• “14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’” – Christ Over All
• “16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’” – Christ Over All
• “17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’” – Christ Over All
• “What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC” – David Schrock
• “The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9” – Tom Ascol
• “Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
• “‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC” – Megan Basham
• “New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC” – Joshua Abbotoy
• By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules – Founders Ministries
• How the SBC Got Played – Crosspolitic Studios
• X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…,” September 18, 2025
• “We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention” – David Schrock
• “The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
• “Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees” – Brent Hobbs
• “The Great Commission Resurgence Debate” – Trevin Wax
• Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe – Voddie Baucham Jr.

Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda– Megan Basham

The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism – Yuval Levin

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Many aspects of the SBC are broken, and this article charts a possible route forward into a dawn marked by humble leaders, diligent trustees, and a reorganization.

Resources to Click

• “Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives” – David Schrock
• “Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’” – Adelle M. Banks
• “Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God” – Christ Over All
• “Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity” – Christ Over All
• “The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
• “More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem” – Michael Clary
• “Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC” – Rhett Burns
• “What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?” – Jon Whitehead
• “Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love” – Alex Kocman
• “One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC” – Doug Ponder
• “14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’” – Christ Over All
• “16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’” – Christ Over All
• “17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’” – Christ Over All
• “What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC” – David Schrock
• “The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9” – Tom Ascol
• “Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
• “‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC” – Megan Basham
• “New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC” – Joshua Abbotoy
• By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules – Founders Ministries
• How the SBC Got Played – Crosspolitic Studios
• X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…,” September 18, 2025
• “We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention” – David Schrock
• “The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
• “Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees” – Brent Hobbs
• “The Great Commission Resurgence Debate” – Trevin Wax
• Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe – Voddie Baucham Jr.
• Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda– Megan Basham
• The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism – Yuval Levin

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Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice.

Timestamps

• 00:51 – Intro
• 05:08 – Why Willy Rice Has Sought the Presidency of the SBC
• 06:57 – What Changed Willy Rice’s Perspective
• 10:07 – Insiders and Outsiders
• 14:30 – The Breakdown and Regaining of Trust
• 18:46 – Where are the Places for Communication?
• 21:51 – What Can the Trustees Be Doing to Help?
• 25:08 – Willy Rice’s Assessment of the Trustees
• 29:04 – The Baptist Courier
• 30:22 – Being Transparent
• 35:12 – The State of DEI and Resolution 9 in the SBC
• 43:46 – What Place Does the ERLC Have in the SBC?
• 46:23 – What Kind of Leaders Do We Need in the SBC?
• 49:22 – What’s the Receptivity to Willy’s Message
• 53:23 – Seven Pillars for Baptist Renewal
• 56:36 – Outro

 Resources to Click

• Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
• Give to Support the Work

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Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell.

Timestamps

• 00:46 – Intro
• 06:07 – Why Josh Powell Wants to Be SBC President
• 13:52 – What are Some of the Biggest Things the SBC Has?
• 16:17 – Concrete Ways of Moving Forward without a Credentials Committee
• 22:07 – The Issue of Loss of Trust and How to Regain It
• 26:47 – What Kind of Influence Does Josh Powell Have to Make the SBC Stronger?
• 30:30 – The Baptist Courier
• 31:50 – Navigating the Question of Wokeness
• 39:26 – Confessing Where We Were Wrong
• 43:00 – What Lessons Can We Learn from The Sex Abuse Task Force
• 48:44 – Is There a Way for Leaders to Say They Were Wrong on This?
• 52:15 – What Kind of Leaders Would Best Serve the SBC?
• 56:07 – The ERLC: It’s Ideal Mission, Identity, and Leadership
• 59:39 – Where You Can Learn More about Josh Powell
• 1:01:08 – Outro

Resources to Click

• Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart – Jeremy Carl

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Listen in as David Schrock interviews both Mark Coppenger and Brad Green on their COA Essays.

Timestamps

• 00:24 – Intro
• 06:20 – What are Some Things that are Encouraging about the SBC?
• 09:32 – Concerns about the SBC
• 13:07 – Four Different Way to Treat the Environment
• 19:54 – Coming Away from the Sex Abuse Crisis
• 23:56 – Believe All Women? Intersectionality at Play
• 28:24 – Have We Gotten Past Resolution 9?
• 32:20 – The Baptist Courier
• 33:53 – What Kind of Leaders Do We Need Going Forward?
• 40:30 – SBC Ingratiationism
• 43:40 – Is the Female Pastor Problem Because of Leaders Who are Unwilling to be Disaggreeable?
• 49:00 – How Do We Faithfully Grow?
• 53:11 – There is Still a Drift in the SBC
• 54:50 – SBC Presbyterianism: A ‘Hierarchy’ Within the SBC
• 1:04:25 – Final Thoughts: What Leaders Do We Need Today?
• 1:06:38 – Outro

 Resources to Click

• “Five Reasons to Be Thankful for the Southern Baptist Convention” – Brad Green
• “Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
• “The SBC in a Crowded Theater” – Mark Coppenger
• “Who’s the Vandal?” – Mark Coppenger
• “Alabama fan Harvey Updyke, poisoner of Auburn trees, dead at 71” – Mike Rodak
• “Resolution 9 and the Southern Baptist Convention 2019” – Tom Ascol
• “The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
• “Freedom of Speech” – Norman Rockwell
• Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
• Give to Support the Work

Books to Read

• What is Critical Theory?: A Concise Christian Analysis – Bradley G. Green