Native Hawaiian biochemist Dr. Cliff Kapono talks us through the embodied fusion of modern scientific inquiry and reverent indigeneity. Cliff is amongst the most versatile surfers on the planet.

He shares some of his most vulnerable moments, brimming with frustration and self-doubt, and humbly reflects on the ways a surfing life has kept him here. In our meandering conversation, Cliff also covers the conflict of biotech, environmental activism, traditional Hawaiian lore & surf crafts, and reveals the micro-interconnections between surfers and other marine mammals.

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Sound Engineer: Shannon Sol Carroll

Music by: Shannon Sol Carroll & Band of Frequencies 

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Sound + Video Engineer: Ben J Alexander

Theme song: Shannon Sol Carroll

Additional music by Kai Mcgilvray   + Ben J Alexander

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