Danny McConnell and John Lee join Matt to discuss the concession that our 2030 climate targets will be missed, and ask if we need to apply the Tony Blair analysis for Britain that net zero is inappropriate. They offer their by-election analysis of the real significance of the outcomes of two by-elections for the national picture. They discuss the changing conversation on immigration and Jim O’Callaghan’s position on deporting criminals. They return to the thorny problem of financing RTÉ, and debate whether the Government is as much to blame as management for the current crisis.

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