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This month, we welcome Swathi Joshi, VP of SaaS Cloud Security at Oracle, to discuss key moments and decisions that shaped her career path, including rejections from Google and Twitter. She emphasizes the importance of learning from rejection and seeking feedback to improve. Swathi also shares insights on the role of mentors and advises on finding and working with mentors. In the second part of the conversation, she discusses building a SaaS security program as an enterprise consumer of SaaS. She highlights the importance of addressing misconfigurations, ensuring visibility and access control, and meeting compliance needs.

Swathi also suggests asking about backup and exploring risk scoring for vendors. In this conversation, Swathi discusses best practices for managing vendor risk, vulnerability management through third parties, and incident response in SaaS applications. She also shares insights on privacy operations and critical privacy controls in SaaS. Swathi emphasizes the importance of collaboration, robust incident response plans, and data lifecycle management. She also highlights the need for identity and access control and the challenges of normalizing incident response across different SaaS platforms. Swathi's leadership philosophy is collaborative and pace-setting, and she emphasizes the importance of stress management.

Takeaways

• Learn from rejection and seek feedback to improve
• Build long-term relationships with mentors and create a personal advisory board
• When building a SaaS security program, focus on addressing misconfigurations, ensuring visibility and access control, and meeting compliance needs
• Ask about backup and explore risk scoring for vendors. 
• Managing vendor risk requires close collaboration with privacy, legal, and contract partners.
• Incident response in SaaS applications shares foundational principles with traditional on-prem software, but there are differences in data snapshotting and managing dependencies.
• Privacy operations can be operationalized by focusing on identity, access control, and data lifecycle management.
• Leadership should be collaborative, open to ideas, and adaptable to different situations.
• Stress management is crucial for effective leadership and should be acknowledged and actively managed.

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Privacy Operations Template
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Chapters

00:00 Navigating Career Challenges and Learning from Rejection
08:13 The Role of Mentors in Career Growth
15:26 Building a Strong SaaS Security Program
21:20 Meeting Compliance Needs in a SaaS Environment
21:56 Backup and Risk Scoring for SaaS Vendors
22:38 Managing Vendor Risk
26:12 Improving Vulnerability Management through Third Parties
26:35 Navigating Incident Response in SaaS Applications
34:03 Operationalizing Privacy Operations in SaaS
40:50 The Importance of Collaboration in Leadership
43:04 Managing Stress for Effective Leadership

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On this episode, Sandy Bird, CTO and Co-Founder of Sonrai Security, joins the show to discuss identity security in the Cloud. Prior to Sonrai Security, Sandy co-founded Q1 Labs, which was acquired by IBM. He then became the CTO and helped IBM Security grow to $2B in revenue.

Today, Sandy talks about his journey in cybersecurity and how to manage and eliminate dormant identities. Why should listeners be concerned about zombie identities? Hear about the permissions attack surface and where to start implementing zero trust policies.

Timestamp Segments

·       [01:41] Getting into cybersecurity.

·       [03:48] Key lessons from IBM.

·       [08:40] Zombie identities.

·       [12:53] Is it possible to manage and eliminate dormant identities?

·       [16:17] Tying the process into a CI/CD pipeline.

·       [21:01] The Dirty Dozen of Cloud Identity.

·       [24:13] The permissions attack surface.

·       [27:00] Zero Trust best practices.

·       [30:08] Creating nett new machine identities.

·       [33:17] Prioritizing identity misconfigurations.

·       [35:15] Sandy’s mentors and inspirations.

·       [37:37] How does Sandy stay sharp?

Sound Bites

"Nothing is a straight path in starting companies in your career."
"Zombie identities are identities that were part of previous projects and never get cleaned up."
"Fix the low-hanging fruit first, such as getting rid of zombie identities and locking down sensitive identities."

Relevant Links

Website:          sonraisecurity.com

LinkedIn:         Sandy Bird

Quantifying Cloud Access: Overprivileged Identities and Zombie Identities

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Corey Elinburg, a cybersecurity leader, discusses the importance of approaching cybersecurity as a transformational force and empowering the business. He emphasizes the need to avoid draconian controls and adopt a mentality of finding solutions rather than saying no. Corey also shares insights on hiring security leaders and building relationships with vendors. He highlights the value of cloud-based security services in rapidly aligning IT with the business and shares examples from his experience. Corey emphasizes the importance of digital trust in healthcare and the need to prioritize patient safety. He also discusses personal growth and staying up to date in cybersecurity.

Takeaways

• Approach cybersecurity as a transformational force that empowers the business.
• Avoid draconian controls and focus on finding solutions rather than saying no.
• Embrace innovation and set the terms of adoption to drive business transformation.
• Build trust and empower your team to enable scalability and focus on strategic initiatives.
• Cloud-based security services offer agility, scalability, and rapid alignment with the business.
• Build relationships with vendors by understanding their value proposition and engaging in problem-solving.

Chapters

·       [02:10] Kind words about Corey.

·       [03:13] Transforming business through IT.

·       [05:20] Where security programs go wrong.

·       [06:35] Corey’s hiring persona.

·       [07:50] Embracing innovation.

·       [14:26] Principles to accomplish your vision.

·       [17:20] Cloud-based security models.

·       [23:55] Bringing value to businesses.

·       [28:09] From practitioner to leader.

·       [33:41] Unifying security and developers in purpose and practice.

·       [38:15] Implementing digital trust.

·       [41:28] Corey’s growth formula.

·       [42:53] Corey’s parting words.

Notable Quotes

·       “It’s not just controls. It’s empowering the business to operate in a resilient way.”

·       “Too often in cyber, we forget that we’re selling in every interaction.”

·       “When you engage trying to solve a problem rather than engage trying to sell a product, you’re immediately on a better footing.”

Relevant Links

Website:          www.commonspirit.org

LinkedIn:         Corey Elinburg

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On this episode, Global Head of InfoSec and GRC Strategy at VMWare, Ashish Suri, joins the show to discuss data security and AI. Ashish has over 20 years of experience in business transformation, cybersecurity, data privacy, and enterprise risk management. He has served in numerous roles, including Head for Data Risk, Privacy, and Cybersecurity at Apple, Head of Technology Process and Controls at PayPal, and Senior Director of Finance Internal Controls at Visa.

Today, Ashish talks about the distinction between data secrecy and data security, data security in the Cloud, and the business benefits of investing in data security. How does AI fit into security? Hear about cost-effective risk mitigation strategies and the evolving DSPM space, and get Ashish’s formula for personal growth.

Timestamp Segments

·       [01:33] Ashish’s role at Apple.

·       [04:27] Data secrecy vs data security.

·       [07:20] Data security in the Cloud.

·       [09:30] Ashish’s approach to data security.

·       [13:53] What does a business get out of data security?

·       [17:34] The CIA Triad.

·       [21:39] AI and Cloud security.

·       [24:24] AI in cybersecurity products.

·       [27:59] Cost-effective risk mitigation strategies.

·       [30:49] Wading through the DSPM space.

·       [35:15] Ashish’s growth formula.

·       [37:06] Being humble.

·       [38:00] Ashish’s parting words.

Notable Quotes

·       “The more we are out there in the Cloud, the larger our footprint becomes, and the risk continues multiplying in different directions.”

·       “Speed, accuracy, and automation will also get complimented with people, process, and technology.”

·       “Keep learning and keep listening.”

Relevant Links

Website:          Bedrock Security

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On this episode, CISO at Palo Alto Networks, Niall Browne, joins the show to talk about Security, Cloud, and AI. Before joining Palo Alto Networks, he served as the CSO of Cloud platforms for the past sixteen years, including as the CSO and CTO at Workday.

Today, Niall talks about his journey starting in the early days of the Internet, his work during Palo Alto’s shift to Cloud and now AI, and how to keep track of risk with automation. How can teams do more with less? Hear about how to communicate risk to company board members, the usefulness of Gen AI, and the cyber skills shortage.

Timestamp Segments

·       [01:39] Niall’s Bank of Ireland experience.

·       [05:07] How did the early internet catch Niall’s attention?

·       [08:56] What is Niall most proud of?

·       [11:34] Palo Alto’s shift to Cloud.

·       [16:43] Overcoming resistance to the shift.

·       [22:53] Keeping a pulse on risk.

·       [28:07] Communicating risk to boards.

·       [33:46] Doing More With Less.

·       [38:00] How does Gen AI make processes better?

·       [41:27] The cyber skills shortage.

·       [47:04] Niall’s personal growth formula.

Notable Quotes

·       “More with less is key.”

·       “Hiring the right skill set is very difficult.”

Relevant Links

Website:          www.paloaltonetworks.com

LinkedIn:         Niall Browne

Resources:

Doing More with Less: The Case for SOC Consolidation.

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In this episode, Jerich Beason, CISO at WM, joins the show to discuss becoming a CISO. Before joining WM, Jerich served in various roles at Lockheed Martin, RSA, Capital One, AECOM, and Deloitte.

Jerich talks about how he tailored his roles throughout his career, learning communication soft skills and his passion for sharing with others. 

Hear about how AI affects leadership, how Jerich would change the cybersecurity industry, and the true value of vendors (it's positive!).

Timestamp Segments

·       [02:51] When Jerich knew he wanted to be a CISO.

·       [04:52] Tailoring the roles.

·       [06:02] What is Jerich most proud of?

·       [07:17] Jerich’s best advice.

·       [13:22] Transitioning away from geek-speak.

·       [17:29] When Jerich developed the passion.

·       [20:28] The PRIME framework.

·       [25:20] What should be talked about with AI?

·       [29:09] What would Jerich change about the cybersecurity industry?

·       [30:33] Hiring the right people.

·       [33:37] How Jerich stays sharp.

·       [35:06] The value of vendors.

Notable Quotes

·       “Not every issue warrants a ‘sky is falling’ alert.”

·       “When it comes time to leave, leave a legend.”

·       “We don’t exist without vendors.”

Relevant Links

Website:          www.wm.com

LinkedIn:         Jerich Beason

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On this episode, Co-Founder and CTO of Gutsy, John Morello, joins Matt to talk about Process Mining in Cybersecurity. Before co-founding Gutsy, John served as the CTO of Twistlock and VP of Product for Prisma Cloud.

John holds multiple cybersecurity patents and is an author of NIST SP 800-190, the Container Security Guide. Before Twistlock, he was the CISO of an S&P 500 global chemical company. Before that, he spent 14 years at Microsoft, working on security technologies in Windows and Azure and consulting on security projects across the DoD, intelligence community, and at the White House. 

John graduated summa cum laude from LSU and lives in Baton Rouge with his wife and two sons. A lifelong outdoorsman and NAUI Master Diver and Rescue Diver, he's the former board chair of the Coalition to Restore Coastal Louisiana and a current Coastal Conservation Association board member.

Today, John talks about governance challenges in cybersecurity, the importance of security as a process, and how to apply process mining. How is process mining useful in cybersecurity? Hear about process mining human actions and unstructured sources, and how John manages to stay sharp.

Timestamp Segments

·       [02:20] John’s cybersecurity journey.

·       [07:43] Pivotal moments in John’s career.

·       [10:23] The most pressing governance challenges.

·       [14:07] What is process mining?

·       [19:03] How process mining can benefit certain functions.

·       [21:09] Security as a process, not a product.

·       [25:37] Why there’s not more focus on process.

·       [32:03] Applying process mining.

·       [38:07] Filling in the gaps.

·       [42:03] How John stays sharp.

Notable Quotes

·       “Security is a process, not a product.”

·       “In security, inefficiency and inconsistency are highly correlated with risk.”

·       “Almost everything in security is about process.”

Relevant Links

Website:          gutsy.com.

LinkedIn:         www.linkedin.com/in/john-morello.

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On this episode, Best Selling author of Cyber for Builders and blogger Ross Haleliuk joins the show to talk about his writing on the cybersecurity industry. Ross is active in the cybersecurity ecosystem as a startup advisor and angel investor, currently leading the VIS Angel Syndicate. He often writes about cybersecurity, security investment, growth, and building security startups on TechCrunch, in other leading industry media, and in his blog, Venture in Security, read by tens of thousands of security leaders every month.

Today, Ross talks about the usefulness of apprenticeship programs and the impact of AI on the talent shortage. What makes the talent shortage a qualitative issue? Hear about AI and cybersecurity problem-solving, Ross’s recently released book, and how Ross stays sharp (and fit).

Timestamp Segments

·       [02:23] Pivoting into cybersecurity.

·       [08:20] The role of project manager.

·       [11:24] The BISO role.

·       [13:41] The talent shortage as a qualitative issue.

·       [23:58] Apprenticeship programs.

·       [30:51] Qualitative vs quantitative talent shortage.

·       [33:15] The impact of AI.

·       [39:06] AI in cybersecurity.

·       [41:54] What is Ross writing about next?

·       [43:12] How Ross stays sharp.

Notable Quotes

·       “A lot of problems in cybersecurity are not unique to the space.”

·       “It is difficult to find an entry-level job in the technology space, period.”

·       “There is a shortage of senior talent, but there is also an oversupply of junior talent.”

Relevant Links

LinkedIn:         Ross Haleliuk

Resources:

ventureinsecurity.net

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On this episode, InfoSec veteran, Aaron Turner, joins the show to talk about everything from Cloud to AI. Over the past three decades, Aaron has served as Security Strategist at Microsoft, Co-Founder and CEO of RFinity, Co-Founder and CEO of Terreo, VP of Security Products R&D at Verizon, Founder and CEO of Hotshot Technologies, Founder and CEO of Siriux, Faculty Member of IANS, Board Member at HighSide, President and Board Member of IntegriCell, and most recently as CISO at a large infrastructure player.

Today, Aaron talks about the critical decisions that led to his success, the findings in his IANS research, and the importance of physical vs logical separation in home networks. What are the things that are lacking in current AI services? Hear about the security applications of behavioral AI, Aaron’s approach as he gets back into industry, and what it takes for Aaron to remain sharp.

Timestamp Segments

·       [02:49] Getting started.

·       [10:53] Aaron’s keys to success.

·       [16:40] Aaron’s IANS research.

·       [20:42] Physical vs logical separation.

·       [24:19] Top mistakes that customers make.

·       [26:56] Real-world AI applications.

·       [32:13] Thinking about AI and risk.

·       [36:15] What’s missing in the current AI services?

·       [40:46] Getting back into the industry.

·       [45:22] How does Aaron stay sharp?

Notable Quotes

·       “Get deep in something.”

·       “Make sure you put yourself in situations where people expect you to be sharp.”

Relevant Links

LinkedIn:  Aaron Turner.

 
Resources:

www.iansresearch.com

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In this episode, Special Advisor for Cyber Risk at the NACD, Christopher Hetner, returns to the show to discuss the new SEC cybersecurity rules. Chris has over 25 years of experience in cybersecurity, helping protect industries, infrastructures, and economies, serving in roles including as SVP of Information Security at Citi, Senior Cybersecurity Advisor to the Chairman of the US SEC, Executive Member of IANS, the National Board Director of the Society of Hispanic Professional Engineers, Senior Advisor for the Chertoff Group, Senior Advisor to the CEO of Stuart Levine & Associates, and Co-Chair of Nasdaq Cybersecurity and Privacy.

Today, Chris talks about the developments since January 2023, the timeframe requirements in practice, and normalizing cybersecurity incidents as business-as-usual. What is Inline XBRL? Learn how startups could prepare themselves for these changes, the scope of disclosure, and how risk management strategies might evolve to address Cloud-specific threats.
 

Timestamp Segments

·       [02:36] What has changed since January?

·       [06:49] Why things changed.

·       [08:51] Was it a good move?

·       [12:27] Determining the materiality of cybersecurity incidents “without unreasonable delay.”

·       [17:49] Is 4 days enough?

·       [22:19] The scope of disclosure.

·       [24:09] Normalizing cybersecurity incidents.

·       [26:24] Moving toward real-time monitoring.

·       [28:52] Is insurance becoming a forcing function?

·       [32:18] Evolving risk management strategies.

·       [36:05] Third-party disclosure requirements

·       [39:51] How do startups prepare?

·       [41:52] What is Inline XBRL?

·       [42:54] Inline XBRL to 8-k.

·       [43:30] How the tagging requirement impact the disclosure process.

Notable Quotes

·       “The magnitude of these events is the percentage of the event relative to revenue.”

·       “We’re going to see market forces drive these safety standards within our enterprises.”

Relevant Links

LinkedIn:         Christopher Hetner

Resources:

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-139.