In this episode, Cate and Erik come clean (get it? See what I did there?) about the role that mess & clutter play in their lives. They talk about the thought process that keeps clutter happening and what it's like to live in the liminal space of "all or nothing thinking". Cate also spends a weird amount of time talking about "aesthetic". Not a lot of solutions in this one, but a lot of honesty around ADHD and mess.