Sofie talks to New York-based standup comedian and Vice reporter Michelle De Swarte about pyjama modelling, moving to LA and becoming a Buddhist, growing up in a women's refuge, swallowing emotions and learning to be upset, constant reinvention, making yourself a martyr, trying not to weird out your therapist, emotional alleyways, school troubles, dysfunctional relationships, physical appearance, social media, a 1am timeslot at the Edinburgh Fringe, why the Spice Girls lied to us and doing a bit of chanting.

Trigger Warning: alcohol and drug abuse, domestic violence, panic attacks, bi-polar disorder, Schizophrenia

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