Talk about some of the experiences in playing with the deck, and what pushed you over the edge to build it
Why is this deck cool?
Blinking is pretty much the best, and us Commander players love to get our value
Fblthp, the Lost
Master of Waves (explain how during the flicker no one gets priority, so when state-based actions are checked, master is alive and well, and protecting their flock of elementals)
Watcher for Tomorrow
Mulldrifter
Frost Titan
Meteor Golem
Pondering Mage
Cunning Evasion
Barrin, Tolarian Archmage
Blink and you might miss it
Rishadan Cutpurse
Rishadan Footpad
Rishadan Brigand
Here there be Pirates, yarr!
Note: Thassa is worded as follows: “At the beginning of your end step, exile up to one other target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under your control.” This means that you get to keep anything you blink
Overtaker
Chamber of Manipulation
Agent of Treachery
Sower of Temptation (repeatable with Thassa, given enough turns)
Blatant Thievery
Crystal Shard
Conjurer’s Closet
Ghostly Flicker + Archeomancer
Displace
Department of Commander Redundancy Department
Verity Circle (Might even be awesome against mana dorks)
Dismiss into Dream
Willbreaker
Gadwick, the Wizened
Just give it a little tappy
Here is the original decklist from DJ: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thassa-blinks-the-best/
Spellseaker
Glen Elendra Archmage
Vendilion Clique
Venser, Shaper Savant
Keeper of Keys
Vedalken Shackles
Panharmonicon
Cyclonic Rift
Temporal Manipulation
Time Warp
Ancient Tomb
Homeward Path
Miren, the Moaning Well
Some notable cards cut for costs
Training Grounds (Only works when Thassa is a creature)
Hearthstone (Same caveat as Training Grounds)
Erratic Portal
Notable non-budget cards not in the original list
1961 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spider (If you have the means, we highly recommend picking these up)
Main Topic - Thassa, Dwelling in the Deep
Thassa is the Sea’s Knees! What do you think about this deck? Have you played against Thassa? Is this the kind of deck you would like to play? Did you like the fact that we did some budget content?
Patron of the Week - MoneyMoo (you can find him whooping Zack’s butt in games of Magic)
Patreon Contest - What is your favorite non Magic hobby! Three Packs of Zendikar Rising
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Werther's Original Caramel Popcorn
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Ep 68 Community Spotlight:
Brewing and Building are separate
Many people brew decks all the time, but never actually put them together. For some folks it’s almost a thought experiment. We’re interested in figuring out what exactly pushes us over the edge, to turn one of those thought experiments into reality.
I used to do this all the time, when I was a kid, scrawling notes/decklists into the margins of notes I was taking in class. This is one of the coolest things about Magic, the fact that there’s so much meta knowledge to explore. Also, having access to card databases, and the internet, in our pockets really makes this easy
I totally did this too. I remember building shells of decks and just thinking about cards to fill other slots. I had a notebook and everything.
I actually do both of these! I wonder how many folks out there do both? Is it like a 50/50 split, or do most folks out there build one way like 90% of the time? Let us know on Social Media!
I do both as well. I’ll get something laid out online and then once i have all the cards in front of me I build the deck and it’s never exactly the same.
There’s something that makes this feel like old-school Magic, where you just kinda build with what you have
I just go through good stuff boxes and look for things, ie my kenrith deck.
We’ve even talked about “Found Decks” on the show before.
Conversely, some people don’t even actually brew until they have all the cards in front of them. I’ve definitely done this both ways
What percentage of decks that you brew do you actually build in paper? I think it might be interesting to see who out there are the dreamers/brewers. I know for me this varies wildly over time, and depends on my mood/life situation.
Is it when a new Commander gets previewed during preview season?
Is it when you read an article, listen to a podcast, or watch a youtube video?
Do you sometimes just flip through cards, and get inspiration?
Did you get inspired while playing a game of commander?
Maybe it’s been so many months since you last built a deck?
Maybe you get inspired while taking one of your old decks apart?
A fever dream late at night?
Got 50$ burning a hole in your pocket? Or maybe you got a giftcard to your LGS?
Maybe you need some content for your podcast?
We wanted to explore what exactly it takes for us to go over the threshold, and physically build a new deck in paper
Maybe some folks have a lot more time, because they are stuck at home?
The economy has been hit really hard, so maybe folks don’t have the resources to buy cards for new decks
Tangent: How many new physical paper card players do you think we’ve gotten during the pandemic?
Ryan’s New Decks
Winota, Joiner of Forces
Inspired by an episode that we recorded: “Decks outside our comfort zone - ep 49”
I think this one was born out of playing on Arena, or rather, that’s the final thing that nudged me over the edge.
Original built in 2015, the deck got a shot in the arm mid 2017
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Niv-Mizzet
Built in the fall of 2018 when Guilds of Ravnica came out.
It started as a fun spell slinger brawl deck, but when I realized the potential in full on EDH I built it and the rest is history.
Built in the fall of 2019 after m20 came out.
Inspired by my Muldrotha found deck that had a lot of cool etb effects and my love of landfall.
Yarock
Built in June 2019 when Modern Horizons came out.
I’ve always been all about phyrexia, so i figured I’d build it for fun.
Also my first mono colored deck.
Yawgmoth
Built earlier this year around Jan or Feb
I had always wanted to build a five color commander.
When I built it, I used only what I had which were “good stuff boxes” and ended up packing it full of cards that didn’t really fit elsewhere.
Now it’s kind of the junk draw of my collection.
Kenrith
There are other decks, but they are currently being revamped.
Zack’s Stable Decks
Might also be interesting to go through each deck in our stables, to see what pushed us over the edge to build them
Is it harder to get motivated to build a deck during a pandemic?
Biding your time - I tried to play Yarok to set up a play for the next turn, but the board got wiped. If I had waited two turns I could have played Palichron and Yarok in the same turn to get infinite mana to Villainous Wealth.
Zack Gets It Together
We always find it interesting to reflect inwards, and see what is truly motivating our choices. Do folks out there enjoy episodes like this? How many decks have you physically built during the pandemic? What percentage of decks that you brew see the light of day?
Summary
Main Topic - What does it take for YOU to build a deck?
I have a mono-colored deck of every other color and had been toying around with the idea of a mono-green deck, my previous thought had been a Pir, Imaginative Rascal, Super Friends deck. So, I was pretty much primed to build a mono-green deck.
I had Titania, Protector of Argoth, and it was good, but people didn’t much like playing against it (and it was pretty linear).
I also had a Yeva, Nature’s Herald deck (because OF COURSE I did). It was fine too, pretty much a good stuff deck, but I didn’t really enjoy playing it that much.
I have been wanting to build a mono-green deck for some time now.
Let’s talk for a few minutes about how awesome mono-colored decks are.
So much room for utility lands!
I’m running 7 Utility lands that do NOT tap for green.
Restrictions breed creativity. There’s just a lot of things you can’t do in a mono-colored deck (although Green is one of the better ones I think).
Lots of basics, and lots of ways to fetch basics!
Ashaya does something new/unique. I remember when the card was spoiled, people were like “Yeah, now I don’t care about my opponents playing Cyclonic Rift.” I remembered agreeing with that point, but also noting that they probably just wouldn’t play it, or would deal with Ashaya first. I hadn’t thought about the other side of this coin, but we’ll get to that later.
It’s really fun just thinking about all of the crazy things you can do in this deck, and imagining all of your creatures as lands.
Why is this deck awesome/something listeners would want to play?
Average CMC 3.56 (I might try to bring this down some)
8 Mythic
44 Rare
18 Uncommon
7 Common
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37 Creatures
1 Planeswalker
8 Artifacts
5 Enchantments
5 Instants
4 Sorceries
39 Lands
Stats
Greater Good (Oh man this card was NUTS when I played the deck. Along with Multani, Yavimaya’s Avatar)
Return of the Wildspeaker
Great Henge
Guardian Project
Rishkar’s Expertise
Beast Whisperer
Card Draw
Early creatures are super good because they give you a chance to “setup” for the turn when you play your Commander.
Arbor Elf
Beanstalk Giant
Wood Elves
Harvest Season - Imagine the MCL of having 3 early creatures, say Wall of Blossoms, Wood Elves, and Elvish Reclaimer out. Casting your Commander on Turn 4 (thanks Wood Elves!) and then tapping your 3 creatures to cast Harvest Season, and fetching up 3 Lands. I’m not sure this card is great in here (Might be better in a token deck), but I’ve always wanted to try it out.
Green Sun’s Zenith to go get Dryad Arbor (This was great with Guardian Project in play!)
Ramp
Magus of the Candelabra
Untapping lands (especially more than one at a time)
Oblivion Stone
Boompile
Sword of Feast and Famine
Take advantage of all your creatures being lands (this is the other side of the Cyclonic Rift, that I hadn’t considered, running these in your deck, and being proactive with the effect)
Titania, Protector of Argoth - Hard to wrath if this AND your commander are out.
Gaea’s Liege - I’ve always loved this card, and you can do some broken stuff with it and Leyweaver
Sylvan Safekeeper is a creature sac outlet in this deck. It’s super good in here!
Sylvan Advocate is a 2 mana 4 / 5 that double anthems your whole team!
Quirion Ranger - Imagine Bouncing your Eternal Witness to Untap your Gaea’s Liege. Or your Wall of Blossoms to untap your Ulvenwald Tracker
Scryb Ranger
Temur Sabertooth
Reusing Enters the Battlefield triggers
Cloning your creatures with Vesuva! I did the fun thing, I cast Ulvenwald Hydra, got a Vesuva to copy the Hydra, and then with the hydra-copy, fetched up Reliquary tower (because I had Greater Good in play)
Fun stuff
So what do you think about this deck? Does it sound fun? Are there any spicy cards you would include? Let us know!
Patreon Contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 20$ gift card to Mothership
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 10$ gift card to Mothership
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Deluxe Bingo Set from Pottery Barn
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@CMDRCentral_Max
@CMDRCentral - 0:34
@wisesquishy1 - 0:34
@danaroach - 0:34, 5:30, 11:25
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Ep 65 Community Spotlight:
This topic was inspired by the Boxing League that Brian David-Marshall
Before Sheldon wrote the article Max and I were both like, “What’s a boxing league and I believe, one of CMDR Central’s patrons told us”
Seriously, how cool is this boxing league!?!?! And it is also a fun thing that people can follow along with content creators, like “What did BDM add to his card pool this week?” etc
Can watch a bunch of this on Stream
Learned about this through listening to an episode of Limited Resources
@Max: To me a league is a way to help people play EDH the way they want without having to worry about power level. I’ve heard of leagues that are tailored for higher power decks or leagues tailored to keep the power level for all participants at a lower power level.
Rewarding / punishing players for doing certain actions in game ie First Blood (+1) point, Infinite Combo (-2) points
This can be done via a point system.
What exactly IS a league?
Zack and I have, in the past, run a league where we met every other week, and we had a lot of fun doing it
A group of us from my LGS have done Pre-Con leagues. I think we did this for C15 & C16. Week 1 is precon as is, every week you get $5 in cards to add, you can bank your money if you don’t want to make any additions. Kept track via paper. These days it’d be super easy to create a google doc to track it all for everyone.
Played for about 5 weeks. It’d always be our 1st game of the night then we’d play our “real” decks
Max, have you ever been part of a league?
Ryan - I even played in some in store leagues way back in the day
An example league from TCC that Zack and I used as a basis for our Commander league
Committing to a continuous play schedule
Keeping in touch with folks (This is especially important during our current times)
Nice things about having a league
Schedule, schedule, schedule! Make sure folks know when/where they will be playing
Make the rules clear and explicit
Be prepared to answer LOTS of questions
Try to make it fun for EVERYONE!
Be kind to your Commissioner, it’s a lot of work!
@Max - Get everyone's opinion. Biggest thing I remember from the pre-con leagues was spending a few weeks discussing the point system and budget for each week.
@Max - Compromise - You aren’t going to make everyone happy but you can do your best to make it fun for everyone.
League Dos and Don’ts
Playing for points changes the fundamental way multiplayer Magic is played
Will people show up consistently if it’s for casual?
If competitive, how will you track standings? (Hint: Spreadsheet!!!)
Should your league be casual or competitive?
Our experiences with running a league
Organizing a league is very similar to organizing something like the Vegas Rotisserie
So much fun! A lot of the fun was had around seeing what cards people drafted, etc. Meta-fun!
Not quite a league, but man, how much fun was the rotisserie?
This should be awesome!
Folks at home can definitely do something like this, and it’s the perfect way to stay connected with your playgroup during this pandemic, also, since most of us won’t be playing in stores (Support your LGS if you can!), this is a good way to have an authentic Commander Legends experience
We can stream opening card pools, as well as games, how cool is that?
We’re gonna do a Commander Legends sealed league
Leagues are fun! And they have lots of benefits. Have you ever participated in a league? Do you think you want to, now that you’ve heard this episode?
Summary
Zack writes 100 times on a blackboard “I will not cast a board wipe when an opponent controls Revel in Riches”
Patreon Contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 20$ gift card to Mothership
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 10$ gift card to Mothership
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and “Ink pot and quill.” Mike thought we might find ourselves wanting to make a map for our adventures on Zendikar
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They will include all 10 fetch lands, the Battle Bond crowd lands, and powerful lands like Cavern of Souls and Wasteland.
Expeditions are back!
Disclaimer - This is only for the cards previewed between Sept. 1st - 7th.
We did not include the Dual Land DFCs on our lists
Zack sets the over/under
Secret List Top 8
Which cards from Zendikar Rising are you most looking forward to? Anything that should have been on your list? What is the number one card that is getting jammed into one of your decks as soon as you can get your hands on one?
Patreon Contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 20$ gift card to Mothership
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 10$ gift card to Mothership
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and doilies
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Ep 63 Community Spotlight:
Disclaimer: This is strictly for Casual EDH, cEDH players don’t necessarily face this issue, but I bet they do key in on Thrasios/Tymna (or whatever the best Tier 0 deck is). Also, I imagine our local meta could influence this a bit.
There are lots of Commanders that fit this description. The first one of these I remember was Narset, Enlightened Master (September 26, 2014). The combination of hexproof and lots of extra turn/combat steps makes the deck super hard to interact with. It often feels like you have to have a board wipe on the exact turn they play Narset. I was so bummed, because I opened up a foil copy.
You know this type of Commander, because when you sit down to the table, you immediately feel defensive. For example, when I sit down with my Emry deck, I always immediately let people know that it’s construct tribal, but still has some power/ramp in it.
We’ve got some patrons that have some pretty unique takes on some decks, for example Lenny has Mono-White Chulane, and Gumball-Urza. This is potentially a whole show topic on it’s own
Ryan’s turn to set the over/under
Secret list, top 8 style
What is a KoS Commander?
Which Commanders make your KoS list? Are there any on our lists that you disagree with? Any we forgot?
Patron of the Week - Case Vickers (@case_vickers) Came in and immediately shared his Yuriko Deck.
Patreon Contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 20$ gift card to Mothership
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Show us the one card that you play that people always have to pick up and read. #WaitWhatsThatDo. You can win a 10$ gift card to Mothership
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and the Metamucil
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@BearMaulings - 1:00
@case_vickers - 1:09
@MothershipGames - 1:49, 6:56, 1:06:15
@jasonsudeikis - 3:05
@rebeccasugar - 3:05
@danaroach - 3:05
@SpellTable - 7:26
@ChannelFireball - 8:07, 1:04:17
@GavinVerhey - 8:45, 12:42, 39:07, 45:28, 57:38
@SixthComma - 8:45, 9:10
@JulesRobins - 8:45, 48:05, 56:09
@scryfall - 9:10, 35:17
@blairwitchgreen - 9:39
@TolarianCollege - 12:42
@maro254 - 16:11
@sebmckinnon - 25:15
@SheldonMenery - 49:03
Ep 62 Community Spotlight:
Disclaimer: We’re recording this the week after Command Fest Online 2, huge shoutout to CFB! Very cool to participate and raise some money for charity at the same time.
Video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcnTf1caAUM
They announced the entire Commander Collection Green (Designed by Ari)
https://scryfall.com/sets/cc1?as=grid&order=set
Chord of Calling
Cultivate/Kodama’s Reach
Eternal Witness
Sylvan Caryatid
Greater Good
Beastmaster Ascension
Rampaging Baloths
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Our predictions are BOOOOOOLLLLLLLD
Back in episode 31 we predicted the following cards for Commander Collection Green
Ari talked about “White in Commander” and what they are looking to change (or already have that we haven’t seen yet)
Congratulations Gavin! So crazy that Gavin has been working on this for 6 years! If I ever need a confidant, I’m picking Gavin!
The set’s flavor can pull from any place AND any time
Any A1 Bold predictions here?
I wanna see old stuff! -Z
Ryan Bold Prediction - We’ll see at least one card set on Phyrexia
This means, only 4 non-evergreen mechanics, 3 old, 1 new
A1 bold predictions for the 3 old (Does partner count here?)
Ryan Bold Prediction - 3 old mechanics: Kicker, Renown, Flashback
Zack Bold Prediction - Storm, Affinity, Shadow.
It isn’t mechanically Commander Horizons
Draft is 3 20 card boosters, Draft 2 cards from EACH pack. you end up with a 60 card deck.
2 legends and a foil in every pack
Sengir, the Dark Baron
I’ve been wanting this since partners released in 2016
Mono-colored Partners!
Hal and Alena! How cool is it finally getting to see these 2?
Prismatic Piper
Ryan Bold Prediction - 1 prismatic piper, 10 rare mono-colored legends (2 of each color). 30 uncommon mono-colored partners (6 of each color)
Ryan Bold Prediction - Teferi, mono blue rare Partner (pre spark, so a creature)
Zack Bold Prediction - Mono color weatherlight crew partners
41 monocolored Partners! Over 1500 partner combinations now :)
71 Total new Legends in the draft boosters
30 non-partner, 2 / 3 color legends (so this means no 4 or 5 color legends in the set, if my math checks out)
Keeper of the Accord
Ryan Bold Prediction - Teferi’s Protection will be reprinted!
Zack Bold Prediction - Blind Obedience will be reprinted
Powerful white cards
Extended Art
Commander’s Sphere and Command Tower extended art
Ryan Bold Prediction - Cultivate extended art
Ryan Bold Prediction - Arcane Signet extended art
Zack Bold Prediction - Brainstorm Extended Art (ice age)
Zack Bold Prediction - Blood Artist
Many other common/uncommon stables will get this same treatment
32 Popular legends will get reprinted with Etched Foil treatment (These can appear in draft boosters)
Each new legend (71 of them) can also appear in Etched Foil
Etched foils appear in draft boosters infrequently
Etched foils appear in every Collector booster
Zack Bold Prediction - There will be a Niv Mizzet, Parun Etched Foil
Man, this is giving me a conundrum, cause I want to draft the set, like BADLY, but also may be a while before I can get together with folks, and the extended art cards look awesome. Also are there extended art etched foils?
Extended art cards ONLY appear in Collector Boosters
Video of the treatment on Gavin’s Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3p0xlcQJU
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Ryan Bold Prediction - Kess, Dissident Mage will be one of the reprint commanders
Ryan Bold Prediction - Teysa Karlov will be one of the reprint commanders
Etched Foils
No double-faced cards
Ryan Bold prediction - This will be a changeling, because the two legendary options don’t seem like fun draft environment cards: https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28type%3Alegendary+type%3Akithkin%29 (Could also be a non-legendary creature, but the way Gavin said it makes me think it was a Ruse)
Zack Bold prediction - it will be a five color sliver.
At least one kithkin
They used a spreadsheet to test the partners (so you know it’s serious!)
Jeska will likely be a Planeswalker that can be a commander
Ryan Bold Prediction - This will be a new card, the current options aren’t great: https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Acreature+commander%3AG+cmc%3D6+rarity%3Ac&unique=cards (Or Elvish Aberration is downshifted to common)
Zack Bold Prediction - It will be Vorstclaw.
6 mana common green creature that is NOT Colossal Dreadmaw
Ryan Bold Prediction - We will see a mono-Black Aetherborn uncommon legend
Zack Bold Prediction - people holding a piece of fence
New Characters
All mono-colored legends have partner. Any 2 color or more legends won’t have partner (Stand-alone as Jules said)
Enemy Crowdlands (Battlebond) are in this set!
Releases November 6th
Questions
Anything goes here, let’s each at least put 3 bold predictions
Ryan Bold Prediction - We will finally see the W/B Angel that is a sister to Sigarda, Bruna, and Gisela
Ryan Bold Prediction - A pre-spark U/R Dack Fayden legend
Ryan Bold Prediction - We will get a legendary creature that is a hint about the Wanderer, and it somehow involves Fblthp
Zack Bold Prediction - Praetors will be reprinted.
Zack Bold Prediction - Primeval Titan will be reprinted / unbanned
Zack Bold Prediction - Urza Planeswalker
Final Bold Predictions
Booster Fun
Commander Legends!!!
Gavin Verhey, Ari Nieh and Jules Robins (Lead final designer of Commander Legends)
Commandfest Preview Panel
What did you think of the Commander Legends panel from Command Fest Online 2? What cards are you most excited for? What predictions do you have for Commander Legends?
Patreon Contest - Most unique deck you’ve seen out in the wild - 2 Double Masters packs
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Most unique deck you’ve seen out in the wild - 1 Double Masters pack
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and the Rolodex
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@edhrec - 45:02
Ep 61 Community Spotlight:
The idea: We each take 2 decks from our stable, and the other co-host comes up with 3 “interesting” commanders to play a game with. We go through our thought process about coming up with an initial plan.
Disclaimer: This is in a vacuum. Initial plans can give us a place to start talking about strategy, but even good plans need to be adjusted, and most initial plans can probably go out the window quite quickly, but it’s probably worth talking about having a plan in general, and how this can apply later in the game when you reassess..
Zack details the high level version of how Deck 1 works, and how it tends to win AND lose games. (Mention there is a link to the deck in our stables)
Any notable/important cards in your deck?
Ryan reveals the 3 SECRET opponents!
Initial thoughts
Which person do you think you should take out first?
What about your deck makes this a good idea? Silver Bullets?
Which person do you think you’d have the best chance against in a heads-up scenario?
Anyone you think might make a great early game ally?
Any cards/typical effects these decks tend to run, that might be problematic for Zack’s deck?
Ryan, why did you pick these 3 particular commanders?
Zack Deck 1 - Niv-Mizzet
Ryan details the high level version of how Deck 1 works, and how it tends to win AND lose games. (Mention there is a link to the deck in our stables)
Any notable/important cards in your deck?
Zack reveals the 3 SECRET opponents!Initial thoughts
Which person do you think you should take out first?
Which person do you think you’d have the best chance against in a heads-up scenario?
Anyone you think might make a great early game ally?
What about your deck makes this a good idea? Silver Bullets?
Any cards/typical effects these decks tend to run, that might be problematic for Ryan’s deck?
Zack, why did you pick these 3 particular commanders?
Ryan Deck 1 - Gonti, Lord of Luxury
AudienceLand, what did you think of this? Was it interesting? Useful? Entertaining at least? Do you do any sort of pre-game analysis?
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Ep 60 Community Spotlight:
Disclaimer: Commander is a SOCIAL game, winning isn’t everything, so watch with care how far you go down the competitive path.
That being said, winning IS fun. And I’m sure there are lots of folks out there that would like to get better at Commander.
It’s so much easier to make an episode about building better decks, it’s much harder to make an episode about how to help folks get better.
Step 1: Admit that you are making mistakes.
It’s going to be hard to fix mistakes if you aren’t making any.
It’s also MUCH harder to identify some types of mistakes in Commander vs Limited or Standard/Modern. This is because the consequences of making a mistake in a 1v1 game happen quite quickly after you make them, and often lead to the game being over.
Changing the way you think about variance may also help. Think about what information you had instead of complaining about why you didn’t win.
My opponent had the exact spell they needed to win! (Did they tutor one or more times that game?)
I just needed one more turn! (Did you fail to realize an opponent was just a card away from a combo?)
I got mana screwed/flooded! (Are you playing enough lands in your deck? How about ramp? Should you have mulliganed?)
Everyone ganged up on me! (Were you playing Atraxa? Did you get off to an early lead?)
Your first instinct should be to avoid blaming a loss on variance. This is not to say that variance doesn’t happen, and often-times variance does lead to bad times for you, but it your first instinct is to blame variance (Blame Variance!), then you may take the easy way out, and not really take the time to think about how you played that game
Think about the things you played, and how folks responded.
Did you make a play that aligned the whole table against you? Could/should you have waited to play it till later?
Did you misidentify the biggest threat at the table?
Did you leave a problematic permanent on the table for too long, hoping someone else would take care of it?
Did you fail to realize that two of your opponents were going to team up, and 1-2 punch away your pillow fort?
Did you take out the wrong player, when you had your chance to kill any of your 3 opponents?
Should you have mulliganed?
Ask them if they noticed any misplays on your part.
Ask them what cards they had in their hand at the end of the game.
It really helps if you can talk with your opponents after the game, especially if they are people you think play well!
Think about your game, immediately after you play it. Reflect on how the game went.
Sequencing!
Can be something as basic as playing your lands in the wrong order. Or tapping your lands incorrectly.
Sometimes this is obvious, sometimes it’s not. Like sometimes you might not notice that there was a better way to sequence things, but sometimes you might not even think about sequencing things
Honestly, this is one of harder things in Commander, because board states get so cluttered, so quickly. And you may forget you need to take out that Blind Obedience before you cast your Hasty creature.
I think this is sometimes tricky for newer players, especially when playing against new opponents, or decks in an unknown meta.
This can also include playing a card that is going to scare the other players into attacking you, thinking that it’s less scary than what some other opponent already has going on. An example could be playing Aura Shards, and not knowing that one of your opponents has 3 very important enchantment/artifacts in hand. You may not know this is a likely scenario, unless you’ve played against that player’s deck more than 1 time before.
Incorrectly assessing threats
Forgetting that your opponent played a Sylvan Safekeeper on turn 2.
Not doing the math on how much damage you were going to take from 2 of your opponents having a Zulaport Cutthroat in play before you cast a board wipe
Failing to notice an onboard trick
These are not the droids you are looking for (or not hitting your saving throw versus a savvy political opponent
So many times people make a deal, and get nothing out of it. Like someone promising not to attack you for two turns, when it’s obvious they weren’t planning on attacking you anyway
Making a bad deal
Making too many deals, and painting yourself into a corner
Picking the wrong person to go to the final 2 with.
Political
Types of mistakes
This can be a tricky thing. We are all getting together to have some social fun, so sometimes it’s not the greatest to be very strict with the rules. I know oftentimes I encourage my opponents to take stuff back
You want to make sure you have a conversation about this before the game starts. It might be great to play with some stricter rules enforcement if the folks you are playing with are up for it. (It also could EASILY be NOT fun to do so).
Maybe hold yourself to a higher standard? Essentially owning your mistakes. You don’t have to always do this, but it’s hard to learn from a mistake if there are NO consequences from making it. (If you’ve ever played with me, you KNOW I don’t often hold myself to a higher standard!) I think this is something especially hard to do if you’ve only ever been a casual player. Playing a lot of limited, and grinding at PTQs etc, really helps here, because you are often playing at a higher REL, and take backs aren’t an option.
Take-backs?
How to learn from your mistakes
Learning from your mistakes is CRITICAL to getting better at Commander. Two of your best tools for figuring out the mistakes you are making are “Thinking critically about games immediately after playing them” and “Talking with people who you respect, and getting their feedback”
Audience land: Do you look for mistakes? Do you have any great lessons you’ve learned? We’d love to hear some of them!
This is a weekly Commander podcast about Magic: the Gathering. Your hosts Ryan, and Zack attempt to entertain you with interesting anecdotes about the game of Magic, including their experience running…