Ryan - (Say #MtGDad) Veronica has been wanting to wear pretty dresses everyday, and so has Malcolm
What’s been going on in your personal life?
Mike Condon for audio engineering and tiny spoon from New Hampshire
Thanks
https://store.mothershipatx.com
SOCIALSHIP - free shipping on orders of $50 or more
SOCIAL10 - 10% off in stock MTG singles
virtualEDH.com
https://discord.gg/MMXQJqf
Thursday nights come play at mothership!
MOTHERSHIP BOOKS AND GAMES
https://www.cfbevents.com/magicfestonline
Our LGS has setup an online store!
@HenryStukenborg - 1:40
@DoubleDaves - 5:18
@MothershipGames - 9:15, 1:00:12
@SpellTable - 9:44
@ChannelFireball - 11:16
@GingerJ0E - 11:58
@Marshall_LR - 22:01
@TheKristenEmily - 24:01
@LennyWooley - 33:56, 37:40, 54:00
@Scraignoth - 41:01
@jumbocommander - 42:01
@BentzMr - 43:14, 59:37
@chrisvondoom1 - 45:40
Ep 49 Community Spotlight:
716.5b
Commander Rules!
Deck outside Ryan’s comfort zone
Aggressive Decks
Arena
Why?
Zack discusses with Ryan
Why?
Ryan discusses some with Zack
Deck outside Zack’s comfort zone - Boros / Aggro
Lenny (@LennyWooley)
Mono red is outside my comfort zone. I can brew it but I don't like playing it because it's not great at defense and I can't make plans with its card advantage.
5 color is also really tough unless I have a very specific idea in mind. Otherwise I get paralyzed by all the opportunity
I struggle with playing blue. In particular the whole counterspell/draw go style. I feel bad countering someone's spell and even worse countering their commander, because I find it less enjoyable to play, I play it less which means I'm worse at it.
Craig -(@Scraignoth)
I'm an Aggro/Midrange player and have always struggled with control. I taught myself how to play control and that helped me to understand how better to fight against control. That being said blue is the color that eludes me the most but I'm always trying to expand my prowess in commander. my main problem is I'm a very proactive player and blue intrinsically plays a reactive game
Andy Bently (@BentzMr)
my main problem is I'm a very proactive player and blue intrinsically plays a reactive game
After he left his comfort zone to play black - It took a second to get in a groove cause of what I’m typically drawn to, but once I got going, I really hit a groove. I kinda role played it. Since I’m a Dimir mage, I approached it as I was spying on everyone else to learn their secrets
#MtgAmatureFinance also taught me what I don’t really like so I avoid spending on stuff that won’t hold my interest long term
Chris von Doom (@chrisvondoom1)
Discuss
Four patrons have specifically spoken about blue control
What did some of our patrons have to say?
Main Topic - Decks Outside Our Comfort Zone
Stretch one’s horizons to include new things
Understand your opponents strategies better
Poker example, players that only put their chips in when they have the best hand
So, has anyone out there stepped outside their comfort zone? Let us know!
Wrap it up - why should we play decks outside of our comfort zone
Thank Super Patron - Andy Bently
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Patreon Contest - Take a picture or screenshot of your craziest board state and send it to us in a message on Patron and we’ll pick the best one to win a Stained Glass Foil Nahiri from War of the Spark
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Three Packs of Theros: Beyond Death.
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Organic Turnips
Adam Christ and Jonathan Rowny
Thanks
@VirtualEDH
@TRayburn - 2:08, 22:24, 28:50
@ChuckSlice - 3:40
@animalcrossing- 9:50
@GingerJ0E - 10:28
@MothershipGames - 16:15, 22:00
@scryfall - 19:37
@thespikefeeders - 21:00
@GavinVerhey - 21:00
@themmcast - 24:14
@Kesswylie - 24:14
@HenryStukenborg - 24:33, 29:58, 38:45
@CraigBlanchette - 30:15
@MTG_Lexicon - 38:33, 46:12
@edhrec - 38:45
@real_diegoidi - 43:51
@TCGplayer - 45:20
Ep 47 Community Spotlight:
107.1,a,b
Commander Rules!
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SOCIALSHIP - free shipping on orders of $50 or more
SOCIAL10 - 10% off in stock MTG singles
Our LGS has setup an online store!
Let’s summarize what virtualEDH.com is, and some of the cool features
Person who’s turn it is is Highlighted! (anyone can use spacebar to change who’s turn it is)
There’s a single button to click that flips your video around so it looks right-side up!
Infect counter
Lifetotal tracker
Can add your commander and it shows up as hoverable under your life total
Turn timer
Best Feature: You can click on a card in play and it will pull it up (and retains a history of cards you’ve searched for this way). IMO this feature is 100% worth trying this site out
How many people, and how long have you been working on it
What are some enhancements that you have planned?
Also, we noticed no voice, and I believe this was intentional, is that something we might see in the future?
Specifically a way for someone to use their phone to display their boardstate, and another computer to join the game as a spectator to see everyone else's board?
Any plans for mobile?
Some questions for Adam and Jon
Place for questions from Chat
Main Topic - VirtualEDH.com
Rethank Adam and Jon. Remind the folks where they can checkout your stuff, social media, patreon, etc.
Wrap it UP!
Re-thank Mothership and mention the codes and pre-orders for Ikoria
Patreon Contest - Take a picture or screenshot of your craziest board state and send it to us in a message on Patron and we’ll pick the best one to win a Stained Glass Foil Nahiri from War of the Spark
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Three Packs of Theros: Beyond Death.
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Slide Rule
Thanks
@MBorchik - 2:49, 31:54
@GingerJ0E - 2:49
@CommanderReplay - 12:25
@TheKristenEmily - 12:25
@MothershipGames - 13:16, 1:09:30
Ep 46 Community Spotlight:
103.5(a,b,c)
Commander Rules!
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SOCIALSHIP - free shipping on orders of $50 or more
SOCIAL10 - 10% off in stock MTG singles
Our LGS has setup an online store!
Disclaimer: We decided to exclude the Tri-lands cards from our lists. So, let’s talk about them here:
Indatha Triome - W/B/G
Ketria Triome - G/U/R
Raugrin Triome - U/R/W
Savai Triome - R/W/B
Zagoth Triome - B/G/U
Zazk’s turn to set the over/under (remember .5)
Ryan’s List
Zack’s list
Secret list style
Most Ryan-est card in the set?
Most Zack-est card in the set?
Main Topic - Commander 2020 Set Review
What are YOUR top 10 cards from Ikoria? Anything we didn’t include?
Summary - Ikoria is an amazing set, with Awesome flavor, and man how sweet are those Godzilla (kaiju) cards?
Patreon Contest - Take a picture or screenshot of your craziest board state and send it to us in a message on Patron and we’ll pick the best one to win a Stained Glass Foil Nahiri from War of the Spark
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Three Packs of Theros: Beyond Death.
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Homemade Peanut Brittle
Thanks
@TooMuchDew - 2:28
@CommanderReplay - 6:10, 45:42
@Magical__Hacker - 6:10
@AminoMtg - 6:10
@MothershipGames - 15:05
@izzymedrano - 33:10
@GavinVerhey - 37:57
@TheKristenEmily - 44:52
@goberthicks - 56:47
@commandcast - 1:01:00
Ep 45 Community Spotlight:
Companion
Commander Rules!
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SOCIAL10 - 10% off in stock MTG singles
Our LGS has setup an online store!
Disclaimer: We decided to exclude the Free cards from our lists, because they might take up half the list, they are all that good! So, let’s talk about them here:
Flawless Maneuver
Deadly Rollick
Deflecting Swat
Obscuring Haze
Fierce Guardianship
EACH deck has Arcane Signet! YAY!!!!
Ryan’s turn to set the over/under (remember .5)
Ryan’s List
Zack’s list
Secret list style
Most Ryan-est card in the set?
Most Zack-est card in the set?
Main Topic - Commander 2020 Set Review
What are YOUR top 10 cards from C20? Anything we didn’t include?
Patreon Contest - Take a picture or screenshot of your craziest board state and send it to us in a message on Patron and we’ll pick the best one to win a Stained Glass Foil Nahiri from War of the Spark
Patreon
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Three Packs of Theros: Beyond Death.
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and nifty pins!
Intern TH Elliot for help researching our preview cards and coming up with some fun interactions!
Joe Hoffman for helping setup and test the stream, and moderating chat
Patreon Contest - Take a picture or screenshot of your craziest board state and send it to us in a message on Patron and we’ll pick the best one to win a Stained Glass Foil Nahiri from War of the Spark
Ryan - @greenegeek
Zack - @z4ck38
Together - @commandersocial
Twitter contest - Three Packs of Theros: Beyond Death.
You can find us on Twitter
Mike Condon for audio engineering and Ventilator mask
Zack was playing a borrowed Prosh + Food Chain combo deck
PJ was playing a Boros, Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero deck
Ryan was playing Curious Control
PJ won on turn 4 or 5 with Gerrard, Loyal Retainers, and Grinding Station
I had no idea what was going on. Austin was very kind and offered me advice, but a control deck is pretty hard to pilot when you’re not sure what is going on, and what all is possible (Hard to know what to counter, for example)
Game 1
Zack was going to get a new pod going, and we were waiting for some players to finish, so Austin, PJ, and I decided to shuffle up for a 3 player cEDH game
PJ ended up winning this one is similar fashion, although, I think I did bad things like cast a Fire Covenant at sorcery speed, and countered the wrong spells, and basically stifled Austin (playing Gitrog), and was essentially king maker
Game 2
Games we played at Mothership
Ryan
Man, I am BAD at this format. I think a lot of this is unfamiliarity, and I’m sure that will come with time.
It’s really interesting to play with all of these crazy combos/busted cards that I don’t normally play with, at least not in this density in my decks
I feel like there is potentially more shuffling than in a normal game, because so much of the game is DEPENDANT on your starting hand. I think this is true because in a regular game of EDH, there is more time for you to play catchup, and often time folks will leave you alone if you’re mana screwed. That being said, being able to play a whole game in under half an hour is pretty sweet
Fighting battles on the stack is pretty interesting, and not something we tend to see a whole lot of in our local meta
I feel like I’m less able to express myself through Deck-building in cEDH, because I feel like many/most of the card choices for any given deck are necessary/required. Maybe my thoughts on this will change over time? I just know that many of the goofy/random type things I like to do in regular EDH are not viable in cEDH (example: Mr. OPC). That being said, I still think cEDH is pretty cool, and I want to get to know the format better.
Playing cEDH was very disorienting the first time because I was playing a borrowed deck, but I still had fun!
Ryan and I played tonight against each other and it was only slightly less disorienting than the last time, but it was a little easier knowing the deck and I still had fun.
I think mulling correctly is important. I think you want to mull aggressively to get at least part of your combo or cards to get your combo.
To play cEDH seriously I think you would have to study the meta of tiered cEDH decks to be able to combat them when playing yours and when playing EDH I’d rather be surprised at what people are playing vs seeing a commander and knowing it’s exact lines of play.
I’m interested in casually playing cEDH when opportunities arise and I def see the appeal to it.
Zack -
We made sure that all 4 people knew exactly what we were signing up for, and I think that’s important.
Also, I think most cEDH players genuinely DON’T want to pub stomp.
Playing a crazy tuned cEDH deck versus non cEDH decks doesn’t seem like it would be much fun for the cEDH player
We were playing socially, and having fun with folks during the games of cEDH that we played.
Our thoughts about cEDH
Main Topic - Our First Foray into cEDH
What do you think about cEDH? Have you tried it? Let us know your experiences!
Commander is many things, to many different people. cEDH is just one way to play this game, and it’s a valid way to play.
EDH and cEDH are not mutually exclusive. PJ and Austin both had non-cEDH decks with them, and we had fun playing a few games of regular EDH before we dove into cEDH
It’s really cool that there are so many different ways to play Magic, and even with Commander there are many ways to play. Magic is a great game, and everyone should be allowed to enjoy it the way they like
Summary
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Is fast mana one of the things that separates EDH from cEDH? We aren’t cEDH experts, but looking at the tier list here, it sees a lot of play in cEDH decks:
Is this fair, given that nearly every EDH deck runs Sol Ring?
Most of the cards on this list are more than $50, some as much as $200+
If Mana Crypt were less expensive, would this argument still be happening?
I’ve seen some folks on Twitter/Reddit complaining about their opponents using fast mana, oftentimes Mana Crypt is specifically called out.
Does the way your deck is built change the amount of fast mana that is “appropriate”? If you’re playing Bird Tribal, is it OK to power up your deck with a little extra juice?
How much fast mana is too much?
http://bit.ly/ryan_stable
http://bit.ly/zack_stable
Example: Ryan has a morph deck, and it’s pretty derpy. That deck runs a lot of fast mana, just so it can be on a similar playing field as a lot of other decks Ryan plays against in our meta
Zack talks about Emry here
I don’t think running fast mana is good or bad, it’s just a thing decks can do. We play fast mana sometimes. Feel free to look at our stables:
Ryan has a Gonti Deck, and it runs mana vault, but maybe that should just be Dark Ritual?
Mana vault vs Dark Ritual
Ryan: I think that in general the effect is pretty similar, but again fast mana ramps you for the current turn, whereas Ramp cards make subsequent turns of yours better.
At least the social contract doesn’t frown on blowing up folks fast mana, like it does about destroying lands
How does Fast mana compare to Ramp effects like Rampant Growth, Kodama’s Reach, Cultivate?
Cards like Signets, Worn Powerstone, Fellwar Stone, etc
Why are these cards less frowned upon?
We run lots of “Slow Mana” in Commander, which essentially acts a lot like ramp
Main Topic - Fast Mana
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This is a weekly Commander podcast about Magic: the Gathering. Your hosts Ryan, and Zack attempt to entertain you with interesting anecdotes about the game of Magic, including their experience running…