Ben, Khal, and Brian kick off the show by discussing whether or not John Cena’s heel turn was bigger than Hulk Hogan’s in 1996 (1:05). Then, David joins in, and they all discuss the following:

In Nostalgia Freakz, they look back at Goldberg’s 23-second win over Kevin Owens in 2017 to become WWE Universal champion (49:55). Then, they go to the Worldwide Hotline and react to calls regarding the best segments of all time and wild-card picks for the United States championship at WrestleMania 41 (64:03).

Read David’s new piece on The Ringer, where he details John Cena’s long-awaited heel turn.

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Hosts: Ben Cruz, Khal Davenport, and Brian H. Waters

Guest: David Shoemaker

Producer: Brian H. Waters

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