In this episode Matt Kelly and I go meta as we podcast about another podcast that Matt posted this week on his site, Radical Compliance, where he interviewed Paul Sobel, the incoming Chairman of COSO. We discuss how Sobel sees his new role at COSO, some of the initiatives that he has in mind for the organization and how companies can use the various COSO frameworks, including the Internal Controls and ERM frameworks to better manage risk some the strategic perspective. 

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