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Web development is constantly evolving, and so are the tools we use to build. In this episode, Amy and Brad chat with the organizers of Squiggle Conf about the future of web dev tooling, how conferences shape the developer experience, and why community matters just as much as code.

Chapters

0:00 - Intro

0:34 - Meet the Guests: Squiggle Conf Organizers

• Squiggle Conf

1:19 - What Makes Squiggle Conf Unique

3:19 - Tooling and Developer Experience

3:30 - Penguins, IMAX, and the Conference Venue

4:18 - Who Should Attend Squiggle Conf

5:31 - How Talks Are Selected and Curated

6:51 - Social and Community Aspects of the Conference

12:19 - Behind the Scenes of Organizing a Conference

17:46 - Lessons Learned from Running Events

23:30 - The Role of Tooling in Modern Development

27:21 - Browser-Based Tools and Their Impact

28:51 - Shoutout to Astro and Other Frameworks

• Astro
• Starlight - Astro's template for documentation

33:51 - Comparing Different Conference Experiences

38:55 - Building Momentum in the Developer Community

40:45 - Looking Ahead: The Future of Squiggle Conf

42:02 - Final Thoughts from the Organizers

43:43 - Picks and Plugs

• Are the Types Wrong? — a package & CLI tool by Andrew Branch from the TypeScript team
• The Harry Potter movie series
• Cloudflare
• One Switch - Mac Menu Bar App
• RedwoodSDK

Vue developer Alex Riviere joins Amy to explore the fundamental differences between Vue and React, diving deep into Vue's unique approach to reactivity, templating, and developer experience. From the magic of V-Model eliminating controlled/uncontrolled input complexity to Vue's proxy-based reactivity system that "just works," Alex explains why Vue's mental model clicked for him coming from jQuery. The conversation covers Vue 3's Composition API and Script Setup syntax, the evolution from VueX to Pinia for state management, and exciting developments like Vue Vapor Mode that will eliminate the virtual DOM entirely. Alex also breaks down Evan You's recent $4.6M VoidZero funding to revolutionize JavaScript build tooling, the flexibility of Nuxt as a meta-framework, and why Vue remains approachable enough to sprinkle into any project without complex build steps.

 

Show Notes

00:00 - Intro

01:10 - How Alex Got Started with Vue

03:00 - Vue vs React Mental Models

08:00 - Vue's Approach to Forms and V-Model

10:20 - Vue Frameworks: Nuxt and the Ecosystem

17:00 - Vue 2 to Vue 3 Migration Challenges

19:00 - Nuxt as a Dev Dependency vs Runtime

22:30 - When Do You Need a Framework with Vue?

25:30 - Laravel Integration and Alpine.js Connection

27:40 - Vue's Reactivity System and Proxies

29:40 - State Management: VueX to Pinia Evolution

32:20 - SSR and Server Components in Vue

34:10 - Hosting and Deployment Options

35:40 - Evan You's VoidZero Funding and Vision

43:10 - Vue Vapor Mode: Eliminating Virtual DOM

47:40 - Getting Started with Vue Resources

48:40 - Picks and Plugs

 

Links and ResourcesPeople Mentioned

• Alex Riviere - @alexriviere
• Evan You - Vue.js creator - @youyuxi
• Ben Hong - Vue core team member - @bencodezen
• Daniel Roe - Nuxt team - @danielcroe
• Taylor Otwell - Laravel creator - @taylorotwell

Vue.js Resources

• Vue.js Official Site - vuejs.org
• Vue.js Documentation - vuejs.org/guide
• Vue School - vueschool.io
• Vue Mastery - vuemastery.com

Frameworks & Tools Mentioned

• Nuxt - nuxt.com
• Vite - vitejs.dev
• Astro - astro.build
• Pinia (Vue state management) - pinia.vuejs.org
• VueX (legacy state management) - vuex.vuejs.org
• Alpine.js - alpinejs.dev
• Laravel - laravel.com
• Livewire - livewire.laravel.com
• Solid.js - solidjs.com
• React - react.dev
• Svelte - svelte.dev

Build Tools & Infrastructure

• ESBuild - esbuild.github.io
• Rollup - rollupjs.org
• NitroPack - nitro.unjs.io
• Webpack - webpack.js.org
• VoidZero (Evan You's new company) - voidzero.dev

Hosting Platforms

• Netlify - netlify.com
• Vercel - vercel.com
• Cloudflare - cloudflare.com

React Ecosystem (for comparison)

• Next.js - nextjs.org
• Remix - remix.run
• RedwoodJS - redwoodjs.com
• Gatsby - gatsbyjs.com

Podcasts & Content

• Deja Vue Podcast - dejavue.fm (mentioned Evan You VoidZero interview)
• Vue.js Conferences - VueConf events

Technical Concepts to Research

• Vue Composition API - vuejs.org/guide/extras/composition-api-faq.html
• Vue Script Setup - vuejs.org/api/sfc-script-setup.html
• Vue Directives - vuejs.org/guide/essentials/template-syntax.html#directives
• Vue Reactivity - vuejs.org/guide/extras/reactivity-in-depth.html
• Vue Vapor Mode (experimental) - github.com/vuejs/core-vapor
• JavaScript Proxies - MDN Proxy Documentation
• Signals (reactive programming) - General concept in modern frameworks

Picks & Plugs

• Dropout TV - Nobody Asked - dropout.tv
• CodeMash Conference - codemash.org
• Whoosh Screen Cleaner - https://amzn.to/4nBR5Ut

Additional Helpful Resources

• Vue 2 to Vue 3 Migration Guide - v3-migration.vuejs.org
• Vue vs React Comparison - vuejs.org/guide/extras/composition-api-faq.html#comparison-with-react-hooks
• Islands Architecture - jasonformat.com/islands-architecture

In this hosts-only episode, Amy and Brad get real about the developer experience - from the stress of job interviews to the complexities of choosing the right framework. They discuss why companies are comparing candidates more than ever, share strategies for answering behavioral interview questions, and debate the merits of Remix versus Next.js (spoiler: Brad's all-in on Remix). The conversation shifts to feature flags and progressive rollouts, with insights from Brad's work at Stripe.

 

Sponsor

WorkOS helps you launch enterprise features like SSO and user management with ease. Thanks to the AuthKit SDK for JavaScript, your team can integrate in minutes and focus on what truly matters—building your app.

 

Chapter Marks

00:00 - Intro

00:41 - Sponsor: WorkOS

01:47 - Brad's Keyboard and Mouse Shopping Spree

04:30 - Keyboard Layout Discussion

07:23 - Apple Ecosystem: Reminders and Notes

09:23 - Family Sharing and Raycast Integration

09:43 - Notion vs Apple Notes for Project Management

11:31 - File Storage and Backup Strategies

14:00 - Machine Backup Philosophy

16:46 - Job Interview Preparation Tips

19:40 - Answering the "Weakness" Question

21:53 - Addressing Weaknesses: Delegation Examples

24:29 - Conflict Resolution Interview Questions

25:46 - Company Research Before Interviews

27:00 - Tech Stack Considerations: Remix vs Next.js

28:30 - Framework Migration Decisions

29:30 - Astro for Content Sites

31:02 - Backend Languages: Go vs TypeScript

32:30 - React Server Components Future

34:23 - Feature Flags and Boolean as a Service

35:30 - Feature Flag Segmentation and A/B Testing

36:54 - PostHog and Analytics Tools

38:30 - Progressive Rollouts and Error Monitoring

40:20 - Amy's Picks and Plugs

43:35 - Brad's Picks and Plugs

 

 

Josh Cirre joins us to discuss his transition from the JavaScript ecosystem to Laravel, revealing why PHP frameworks can offer a compelling alternative for full-stack development. We explore the "identity crisis" many frontend developers face when needing robust backend solutions, how Laravel's batteries-included approach compares to piecing together JavaScript services, and the trade-offs between serverless and traditional hosting environments. Josh also shares insights on Laravel's developer experience, front-end integration options, and his thoughts on what JavaScript frameworks could learn from Laravel's approach to abstraction and infrastructure.

Show Notes

0:00 - Intro

1:02 - Sponsor: Wix Studio

1:46 - Introduction to Laravel

2:25 - Josh's Journey from Frontend to Backend

5:40 - Building the Same Project Across Frameworks

6:32 - Josh's Breakthrough with Laravel

8:20 - Laravel's Frontend Options

10:25 - React Server Components Comparison

12:00 - Livewire and Volt

13:41 - Josh's Course on Laracasts

14:08 - Laravel's DX and Ecosystem

16:46 - MVC Structure Explained for JavaScript Developers

18:25 - Type Safety Between PHP and JavaScript

21:12 - Laravel Pain Points and Criticisms

22:40 - Laravel Team's Response to Feedback

24:50 - Laravel's Limitations and Use Cases

26:10 - Laravel's Developer Products

27:20 - Option Paralysis in Laravel

30:46 - Laravel's Driver System

33:14 - Web Dev Challenge Experience

33:38 - TanStack Start Exploration

34:50 - Server Functions in TanStack

37:38 - Infrastructure Agnostic Development

41:02 - Serverless vs. Serverful Cost Comparison

44:50 - JavaScript Framework Evolution

46:46 - Framework Ecosystems Comparison

48:25 - Picks and Plugs

 

Links Mentioned in the Episode

1. Laravel - PHP framework
2. TanStack Start - React meta-framework Josh created a YouTube video about
3. Livewire - Laravel's HTML-over-the-wire front-end framework
4. Inertia.js - Framework for creating single-page apps
5. Volt - Single file component system for Livewire
6. Laravel Cloud - Managed hosting solution for Laravel applications
7. Herd - Laravel's tool for setting up PHP development environments
8. Forge - Laravel's server management tool
9. Envoyer - Laravel's zero-downtime deployment tool
10. Laracasts - Where Josh has a course on Livewire
11. Josh Cirre's YouTube channel
12. HTMX - Frontend library Josh compared to Livewire
13. Web Dev Challenge with Jason Lengstorf (featuring Josh and Amy)
14. Josh Cirre's BlueSky account (@joshcirre)
15. Amy's BlueSky account
16. Brad's BlueSky account

 

Additional Resources

1. Laravel Documentation
2. Svelte's new starter kit (mentioned as a good example)
3. Nightwatch - Latest product from Laravel
4. Laravel Vapor - Serverless deployment platform for Laravel
5. Theo's Laravel exploration (discussed in the criticism section)
6. Laravel Breeze
7. Laravel Jetstream
8. Laravel Fortify (authentication package mentioned)
9. Adonis.js (JavaScript framework compared to Laravel)
10. Anker USB powered hub (Josh's pick)
11. Grether's Sugar Free Black Currant Pastilles (Josh's pick)
12. JBL Portable Speaker (Amy's pick)

In this episode, Amy and Brad dive into the ongoing debate between Laravel and full stack JavaScript frameworks. They explore both ecosystems from their unique perspectives. Amy shares her real-world experience building a project in Laravel after working extensively with JavaScript frameworks, highlighting where each approach shines and struggles. From Laravel's backend prowess to the cognitive load of context switching between languages, this episode offers practical insights for developers weighing these technology choices.

Show Notes

00:00 - Intro

01:00 - Sponsorship: Sanity

01:59 - Origins of the Laravel vs JavaScript Discussion

03:59 - Amy's Experience Building a Project in Laravel

06:59 - PHP Development and Linting Experience

11:59 - Understanding MVC Architecture

15:00 - Challenges with JavaScript Backend Services

18:00 - Backend Strengths of Laravel

20:00 - Frontend Challenges in Laravel

23:00 - Comparing Laravel and JavaScript Ecosystem Solutions

26:59 - JavaScript Full Stack Frameworks Discussion

30:00 - Architectural Differences Between Frameworks

33:00 - Framework Choice Considerations

38:59 - Picks and Plugs: Newsletter and Cameras

42:00 - Picks and Plugs: Games and YouTube

 

Links and Resources

• Sanity.io (sponsor)
• Laravel
• Sam's podcast: Frontend First
• RedwoodJS
• Remix
• Next.js
• Astro
• Supabase
• Inngest
• Resend (email service)
• Postmark (email service)
• OpenAI
• Prisma
• PHP Storm
• Laravel Blade (templating language)
• Laravel Livewire
• Alpine.js
• Laravel Breeze
• Laravel Eloquent ORM
• Adonis/AdonisJS
• Episode 54: Why RedwoodJS is the App Framework for Startups, with David Price
• Vite
• Storybook
• Amy's newsletter: Broken Comb
• Insta360 X2 camera
• Insta360 Go 3 camera
• Stardew Valley (game)
• Brad's YouTube channel
• Cloudinary channel and Dev Hints series

Join Amy, Brad, and special guest Ryan Chenkie as they unpack Prisma's expanding ecosystem of database tools. Ryan explains why Prisma launched their own hosted Postgres service and what sets it apart from competitors in the space. The trio examines Prisma's comprehensive feature set including Accelerate for connection pooling, Pulse for real-time events, and optimization tools that help identify performance bottlenecks. They also discuss the upcoming transition from Rust to TypeScript for Prisma's core engine, making it lighter and faster. If you've been curious about modern approaches to database management or wondering which ORM is right for your next project, this conversation provides practical insights and expert perspectives.

Show Notes

0:00 - Intro

1:12 - Working with Prisma and Supabase

2:29 - Prisma Postgres Introduction

4:17 - Why Choose Postgres

6:36 - Prisma's Database Adapter Flexibility

8:14 - Serverless Database Architecture

11:13 - Connection Pooling with Accelerate

14:13 - Pulse for Real-time Database Events

16:54 - Studio Integration in Prisma Console

18:01 - Database Optimization Tools

20:00 - Benefits of Prisma Schema Language

22:10 - Prisma Schema vs SQL Definitions

23:01 - Comparing Prisma and Drizzle

26:24 - Future Improvements to Prisma

28:52 - Ryan's History with Prisma

32:05 - Learning Resources for Prisma

33:37 - Picks and Plugs

Links and ResourcesPrisma Resources

• Prisma Website
• Prisma Twitter/X
• Prisma YouTube Channel
• Prisma Postgres Documentation
• Prisma Console
• Prisma VS Code Extension
• Prisma Accelerate
• Prisma Pulse
• Prisma Optimize
• Prisma Studio

Ryan Chenkie Resources

• Ryan's Website: https://holodeck.run
• Ryan's YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@holodeck_run
• Ryan on Twitter/X

Framework and Technologies Mentioned

• Remix
• Redwood JS
• Supabase
• PlanetScale
• Drizzle ORM
• Postgres
• MySQL
• MongoDB

Brad's Resources

• YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@bradgarropy
• Remix Starter: https://github.com/bradgarropy/remix-app

Amy's Resources

• Build12 Projects: https://buildtwelve.com

Other Resources Mentioned

• Skylight Frame
• Aura Frame
• Netflix Show: "Making Fun"
• Netflix Show: "Is It Cake"

Join us as we talk with Nir Sadeh, Head of Product at Wix Studio, about the platform designed specifically for web professionals. Nir breaks down how Wix Studio differs from the traditional Wix editor by offering advanced capabilities for agencies and freelancers. Learn about their newest feature—AI-powered visual sitemaps and wireframes—that helps designers quickly create site structures and get client approval. We also explore how Wix balances no-code solutions with developer flexibility, their approach to responsive design using AI, and opportunities in the Wix app marketplace. Nir shares valuable insights about product development, user research methods, and his perspective on the impact of AI on the future of web design.

Show Notes

00:00 - Intro

01:00 - Journey to becoming Head of Product

01:48 - Transition from individual contributor to manager

02:21 - Team structure at Wix

03:42 - Goal setting and KPIs

04:36 - Overview of Wix Studio

06:08 - Web-based application functionality

07:03 - Code editing experiences in Wix Studio

08:07 - Client control and access capabilities

09:02 - New features: Visual sitemap and wireframes

10:57 - AI integration points in Wix

12:35 - AI generating layouts and websites

14:50 - Upcoming roadmap items

15:54 - User creativity surprises

16:12 - Wix app marketplace

17:34 - Design trends and components

18:59 - User research approach

20:57 - Data-driven decision making

22:16 - Balancing user preferences with brand goals

24:02 - Career advice for aspiring product managers

25:40 - Balancing customization and consistency

26:44 - Mobile responsiveness and browser support

28:06 - Native apps and business management

28:37 - SEO tracking and analytics

29:45 - Picks and Plugs

Links and Resources

1. Wix Studio - The professional website creation platform discussed throughout the episode
2. Velo by Wix - The robust code solution mentioned at 06:45
3. Visual Sitemap and Wireframes - The new AI feature launched by Wix Studio
4. Wix App Market - The marketplace where developers can build and sell apps
5. VS Code integration with Wix Studio
6. Wix Studio AI Assistant - Mentioned as a coding help feature
7. Figma to Wix - Mentioned as having import capabilities to Wix Studio

Picks:

1. Severance (TV Show) - Nir's pick
2. Remix Dev Tools (becoming React Router DevTools) - Brad's pick
3. AeroPress - Amy's previous pick (referenced)
4. Prismo filter - Amy's previous pick (referenced)
5. Milk frother - Amy's current pick

 

Josh Goldberg joins Amy and Brad to unpack the recent ESLint V9 release and its impact on the TypeScript ecosystem. From explaining the nuances of flat config migration to debating the proper separation between Prettier and ESLint, Josh offers practical advice for improving developer workflows. The conversation covers Josh's journey as a full-time open source maintainer, the Open Source Pledge initiative, and best practices for implementing linting in CI/CD pipelines. Plus, Josh shares behind-the-scenes details from the inaugural SquiggleConf event.

Chapter Marks

00:00 - Intro

00:48 - Welcome Josh Goldberg

01:06 - Working in open source and getting paid

03:10 - The Open Source Pledge

04:49 - ESLint V9 and flat config changes

07:25 - Migration challenges with flat config

09:52 - Understanding ESLint config format

11:50 - How most people use ESLint

16:20 - Prettier vs ESLint responsibilities

18:47 - Conflict between Prettier and ESLint

21:26 - TypeScript's role in ESLint

25:01 - TypeScript ESLint packages explained

27:43 - Linters for other languages

29:31 - ESLint in CI/CD pipelines

32:03 - Auto-fixing in different environments

37:14 - AI's role in linting and formatting

41:45 - SquiggleConf discussion

44:15 - Conference tooling and Q&A system

46:33 - Future SquiggleConf plans

47:13 - Picks and Plugs

• Brad Garropy
  • Pick: Philips Hue smart lighting system - Set up Christmas lights with Hue smart outlets for easy control via phone or voice commands
  • Plug: Brad's BlueSky account - @bradgarropy.com
• Josh Goldberg
  • Pick: BlueSky social network - Appreciates how it feels like early Twitter without spam bots and complicated server setups
  • Plug: SquiggleConf - Web development tooling conference returning in September 2025
• Amy Dutton
  • Pick: The Inheritance Games (book) - Describes it as an easy-to-read young adult fiction with puzzles, similar to Knives Out
  • Plug: Amy's BlueSky account - @selfteachme

LinksMentioned in the Episode

• TypeScript ESLint
• ESLint v9 migration docs
• ESLint Config Inspector
• Sentry Grave $750k to Open Source Maintainers
• Open Source Pledge initiative
• Squiggle Conf website
• Prisma Pulse
• Philips Hue smart lighting
• The Inheritance Games (book mentioned by Amy)

Social Media Accounts

• Brad's BlueSky account: @bradgarropy.com
• Amy's BlueSky account: @selfteachme
• Josh Goldberg's BlueSky Account: @joshuakgoldberg.com

Related Resources

• ESLint Stylistic project
• ESLint Config Prettier
• ESLint Plugin Prettier
• "Create TypeScript Apps" project (Josh's tooling package)
• Awesome ESLint repo (collection of ESLint plugins)
• Manual to Magical: AI in Developer Tooling: Tobbe's talk on using AI to write code mods
• Nicholas Zakas discussing the ESLint config system on Syntax podcast

Tools Mentioned

• Husky
• Lint-staged
• Cursor
• Biome and OXLint (Rust-based linters)
• GitHub Actions

Join us for an insightful conversation with Dani Grant, co-founder of Jam.dev, as she shares her journey from Cloudflare PM to startup founder. Learn how Jam.dev persevered through eight failed attempts before finding product-market fit and growing to 85,000 users. Dani reveals valuable lessons about product-led growth, building in public, and raising venture capital. From tactical fundraising tips to creative community building strategies like jam.pizza, this episode is packed with practical insights for founders and anyone interested in the startup journey.

 

Sponsor

Convex is the backend for founders. Convex is the backend application platform for product-obsessed founders.
 

Show Notes

0:00 - Intro

0:29 - Sponsor: Convex

1:08 - Meeting Dani Grant

1:41 - Early Career at Cloudflare

3:09 - Finding Internships & Career Growth

5:25 - Starting Jam.dev

11:56 - Product Evolution & User Growth

16:57 - Product Features & Implementation

21:22 - Monetization Strategy

23:37 - Technical Deep Dive: How Jam Works

27:49 - Future Plans & Mobile Development

29:12 - Fundraising Tips & Strategies

34:00 - Supporting Developer Communities

36:18 - Picks and Plugs

 

Links

Companies/Products:

• Jam.dev
• Cloudflare
• Convex (sponsor)
• Sentry
• Data Dog
• Hotjar
• FullStory
• JIRA
• Metabase
• Notion

Social/Personal:

• Dani Grant's Twitter
• Dani Grant's email ([email protected])
• Brad Garropy's Twitter (@bradgarropy)
• Learn Build Teach Discord
• Deals for Devs project

Books/Media:

• "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" (book mentioned by Dani)
• Matt Wolf's YouTube channel (AI recaps)

Career Resources:

• jam.dev/careers (mentioned they're hiring)
• jam.pizza (community meetup sponsorship form)

Technical Tools Mentioned:

• Vite
• Remix
• ES Build

Products Similar to Jam:

• FullStory
• Hotjar
• Sentry
• Datadog

Development Tools:

• Chrome Extension Store (where Jam is available)

Community:

• LearnBuildTeach.com
• Deals for Devs

Join us as Tanner Linsley, the creator and founder of TanStack Start talks about its transition from Vinci to a more streamlined architecture built on Nitro. Learn about the framework's innovative approach to server functions, its isomorphic design philosophy, and how it differs from other frameworks like Remix. Tanner also shares insights into TanStack's sustainable open-source business model and his journey to building developer tools that prioritize user experience over rapid growth.

Show Notes

0:00 - Intro

0:38 - Welcome Tanner Linsley

3:43 - React Server Components and TanStack Evolution

6:04 - TanStack Start Overview and Vinci Transition

11:26 - Nitro Integration and Framework Architecture

15:19 - Server Functions and Framework Comparisons

20:58 - API Design Philosophy

24:19 - Testing and Development Process

30:58 - Team and Collaboration Discussion

33:38 - Open Source Sponsorship Strategy

36:32 - Netlify Partnership Announcement

38:37 - Open Source Sustainability Discussion

41:03 - Picks and Plugs

 

Links

Products & Tools:

• TanStack
• Vinxi by Nikhil Saraf
• Nitro
• React Router
• TRPC
• Remix
• H3 (web request library)
• XPro (Tweet Deck)
• Deck.blue (BlueSky client)
• MOTU M4 audio interface
• Bamboo Lab A1 3D printer
• Lashbrook Designs (Brad's wedding band)

Companies & Sponsors:

• Convex
• Clerk
• AG Grid
• Sentry
• Netlify

Games & Entertainment:

• Blockus (board game)
• Severance (TV Show on Apple TV+)
• "First Lie Wins" (book)

Personal Projects & Links:

• buildtwelve.com (Amy's project)
• Brad on BlueSky (@bradgaropy.com)
• Nozzle (Tanner's startup)

Technical Resources:

• Babel Dead Code Elimination (by Pedro Katori)
• GitHub 3D Contribution Graph Generator
• React Server Components documentation

Other Projects Mentioned:

• Solid Start
• Astro