In this second half of the discussion, thanatologist Juliet Ruiz talks candidly about how working with the subject of death impacts her own views of mourning, how to approach the family member who is closed down, what it might mean when someone won't stop talking about a death, something called "meaning making," integrated grief, the special loss of a sibling, how grieving can be seen as a gift because it spares the one we lost from going through it, conflicted grief, her reaction to murder-as-entertainment and the importance of finding others with a common ground.