In this episode of Counterfeit Emotions, host Curtis Morley sits down with lifelong friend and financial advisor Jesse Sitterud to explore the difference between living as a victim, a victor, and ultimately a vessel. What begins as nostalgic storytelling about their small-town upbringing in Ferron, Utah, quickly turns into a deeply emotional and transformative conversation about pain, purpose, mindset, and growth.

Curtis recounts a pivotal lunch conversation during the darkest period of his life—divorce and deep emotional pain—when Jesse shared a simple but radical reframe: life doesn’t happen to you, it happens for you. That idea challenged Curtis’s victim mindset and eventually reshaped his life’s work, leading to his book, his podcast, and his mission to help others heal.

Through vivid stories—including a wasp sting during a run that turned into a breakthrough moment, reflections on Viktor Frankl, Corrie ten Boom, and modern neuroscience—the episode illustrates how pain can become fuel for growth when we change the questions we ask. The conversation culminates in a powerful invitation: move beyond “Why is this happening to me?” to “How can this happen through me?” and allow your suffering to become service.

Key Themes & Takeaways

Major Themes

• Victim → Victor → Vessel mindset
• Pain as a catalyst for growth, not a punishment
• The power of perspective and question-asking
• Gratitude and humility as emotional alchemy
• Choice, agency, and responsibility in suffering
• Growth through discomfort (emotionally, spiritually, neurologically)
• Turning personal pain into purpose and service

Key Takeaways

• Asking better questions changes your emotional experience—even when circumstances don’t change.
• Pain isn’t meant to be suppressed or wallowed in; it’s meant to move us to action.
• Gratitude can transform suffering into meaning.
• You can experience joy and pain at the same time.
• Growth happens when we step just outside our comfort zone—mentally and physically.
• Your hardest experiences may be preparing you to help others in ways nothing else could.

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In this episode of The Counterfeit Emotions Podcast, host Curtis Morley sits down with therapist, advocate, and podcaster Kylee Shields for a deep, emotionally rich conversation about vulnerability, authenticity, shame, and belonging.

Kylee shares her nonlinear journey into therapy — from creative writing and AmeriCorps to wilderness therapy and ultimately becoming a clinical director working with youth who have experienced abuse and exploitation. Throughout the conversation, she explains why working “in the darkness” requires deep emotional containment, safety, and an ability to truly see people without judgment.

A central theme of the episode is Kylee’s concept of “unspeakable things” — the parts of ourselves we hide out of shame or fear. She unpacks how healing happens not by fixing or correcting others, but by creating relational safety where armor can come off and vulnerability can be met with vulnerability.

The episode also explores authenticity as a practice (not a buzzword), the dangers of being vulnerable with unsafe people, and how peace is ultimately found through being fully known, deeply seen, and inherently loved — beyond achievements, roles, or approval.

Key Themes & Takeaways

• Authenticity is hard work, not a trendy slogan
• Shame thrives in secrecy, silence, and judgment
• Vulnerability requires safety and containment, not advice or fixing
• When someone shares their “unspeakable thing,” the relationship is permanently changed
• True connection happens when armor meets armorless
• Being seen as a whole person gives others permission to do the same
• Peace comes from being known and inherently loved, not external validation
• Leaders and therapists carry unique power to normalize healing through openness

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In this deeply moving episode of the Counterfeit Emotions Podcast, host Curtis Morley sits down with DaSheek Akwenye, whose life journey spans apartheid-era Namibia, collegiate athletics in the U.S., and leadership in higher education.

DaSheek shares his experience growing up under apartheid, witnessing systemic racism and dehumanization firsthand, and how his mother’s unwavering faith, hope, and compassion shaped his response to injustice. He reflects on immigrating to the United States as a student-athlete, navigating culture shock, loneliness, and being a racial minority—while learning resilience, curiosity, and grace.

The conversation centers on humanizing others, choosing curiosity over anger, and understanding how dehumanization is often the first step toward violence and division. Through stories of Nelson Mandela, personal encounters with racism, and reflections on faith, education, and leadership, DaSheek illustrates how transformation begins within—and how peace is cultivated through compassion, forgiveness, and seeing others as fully human.

The episode ultimately invites listeners to move away from counterfeit emotions like rage and resentment, and toward authentic peace through empathy, dialogue, and love.

Key Themes & Takeaways

Curiosity Is the Antidote to Anger

Anger cannot coexist with genuine curiosity. When we seek to understand rather than judge, conflict dissolves.

Dehumanization Is the Root of Division

Every war, genocide, or social fracture begins by stripping people of their humanity.

Faith, Hope, and Compassion Are Transformational

DaSheek’s response to injustice is rooted in faith—not denial, but deliberate grace.

Hurt People Hurt People — Healed People Heal People

Healing ourselves is essential to healing our communities.

Education as Liberation

Education transformed DaSheek’s life and continues to be a powerful tool for empowerment and peace.

Responding vs. Reacting

True strength is choosing thoughtful, compassionate responses rather than reactive anger.

Peace Is the Only Emotion Without a Counterfeit

Peace comes not from control, but from alignment with values, faith, and purpose.

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Website - https://www.uvu.edu/chss/degrees_to_anywhere/dasheek_akwenye.html 

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In this deeply compassionate and hopeful conversation, Curtis Morley interviews Clay Olsen, co-founder of Fight the New Drug, about the realities of pornography consumption, its neurological and societal impacts, and—most importantly—the path to genuine recovery.

Clay shares the origin story of his work, including early research, cultural shifts fueled by technology, and the growth of shame-free education about porn’s consequences. Together, Curtis and Clay explore the difference between shame and guilt, how shame perpetuates addiction, and why guilt acts as a healthy compass back to one’s values.

The episode emphasizes that pornography struggles are common, human, and solvable. They discuss recovery vs. sobriety, the importance of vulnerability, and the power of community support. Clay shares inspiring stories from group meetings, school assemblies, and messages from individuals who believed they were broken—until they found hope, support, and peace. The conversation concludes with an invitation for listeners to step into the light, reject shame, and begin the journey toward a life grounded in connection, purpose, and real peace.

Key Themes & Takeaways

Shame vs. Guilt — Opposites, Not Synonyms

• Shame = “I am bad” → leads to secrecy, isolation, addiction continuation. 
• Guilt = “I did something misaligned with my values” → motivates course correction.

Pornography Struggles Are Universal, Not Isolating

• The vast majority of men and many women have viewed pornography. It’s not an anomaly or moral failure.
  

Hope Is the Foundation of Recovery

• People who overcome porn share one trait: they believe recovery is possible. Losing hope undermines the process.
  

Sobriety ≠ Recovery

• Sobriety = time without acting out
• Recovery = inner healing, depth, uncovering and resolving root issues
• Time (sobriety) becomes a byproduct of recovery—not the objective.
  

Vulnerability Breaks the Addiction Cycle

• Bringing struggles into the light is almost always met with compassion, not rejection.
• Silence, secrecy, and judgment are the “ingredients” that perpetuate addiction.
  

Cultural Shifts in Pornography

• Porn is more accessible and socially accepted than ever.
• Yet science clearly shows negative individual, relational, and societal impacts.
  

The Power of Community

• Support groups are filled with “generals”—men who exude strength and light. Clay describes their courage with awe.
  

Peace Is Real and Attainable

• The “valley of peace” is not a myth; countless people have reached it. 

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In this heartfelt and deeply vulnerable episode, Curtis Morley sits down with mental health advocate, author, and co-host of Dad Bods & Beards, Tyson Allred. Together they explore Tyson’s transformational journey—from struggling with depression, self-worth, financial pressure, and identity as a husband and father to discovering hope, healing, and purpose through vulnerability and community.

Tyson opens up about writing his book A Father’s Guide to Mental Health, how fatherhood revealed emotional challenges he never expected, and how men across the country contributed their stories to help others learn, grow, and reflect. He shares the evolution of his relationship with vulnerability, recounting powerful experiences with men’s groups like I Love You, Bro and meaningful breakthroughs around his adoption, self-worth, and the pressure to be “the hero” for his family.

Curtis and Tyson also dive into the difference between motivation and dedication, the emotional traps of expectations, the life-changing power of gratitude, and the importance of brotherhood in men’s mental health. Tyson reveals personal stories of despair, breakthrough moments, and the acts of love he hopes to pay forward as he builds future projects to support men nationwide.

The episode is a raw, uplifting conversation about hope, healing, responsibility, community, and the pursuit of peace in a world where men often feel pressured to carry silent burdens alone.

Key Themes & Takeaways

Vulnerability is Strength

Tyson’s story demonstrates that sharing openly—especially with other men—removes shame, builds connection, and opens the door to healing.

Dedication > Motivation

Curtis recounts Iron Cowboy’s lesson: you don’t need motivation to change your life; you need dedication and personal commitment.

The Power of Community

Men’s groups like I Love You, Bro give men permission to be honest, emotional, and supported—something many have never experienced before.

Fatherhood Reveals New Emotional Realities

Finances, hormones, career changes, relationships—all hit differently as a father, even in ways men often aren’t prepared for.

Self-Worth & Childhood Wounds

Tyson’s journey shows how unaddressed childhood pain (e.g., adoption experience, meeting his biological father) manifests in adulthood until confronted.

Gratitude as a Path to Peace

Gratitude doesn’t erase hardship—but it lightens emotional weight and reveals the joy that always exists around us.

Hope Changes Trajectories

Hope is a powerful emotional force that can shift lives—even in moments of despair.

Abundance vs. Accumulation

True abundance is the desire to give, serve, and uplift—not to gain more for yourself.

Purpose Comes Through Pain

Tyson discovered his life calling at 45—proof that healing can unlock new paths and greater impact.

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Colby Bauer, co-founder of Thread and creator of the nonprofit Carry On, joins Curtis Morley to share a deeply personal and powerful journey of entrepreneurship, identity, trauma, faith, and healing. The episode begins with Colby’s early spark for entrepreneurship at age 14, which later evolves into the creation of Thread—an innovative wallet company built from a mix of creativity, action-sports influence, and a desire to disrupt a stagnant market.

The conversation shifts into Colby’s upbringing, where he candidly explores the emotional impact of growing up with an alcoholic mother, witnessing parental conflict, and navigating divorce at a young age. He describes how skateboarding, soccer, and creative outlets became his escape and healing medium.

The episode’s emotional core centers on Colby’s journey through his mother’s severe addiction—culminating in a period where he was forced to take her to a homeless shelter for her own safety. Colby opens up about panic attacks, therapy, faith, and the moment that became the foundation for Carry On—a resilience-based nonprofit teaching kids micro-skills (breathing, posture, mindset shifts) through skateboarding.

In the final act, Colby shares the beautiful story of rebuilding his relationship with his mother, helping her enter rehab, and now collaborating on children's books and a kids’ magazine through Carry On Studio. The episode closes with reflections on pain vs. misery, counterfeit emotions, and the one emotion that can’t be counterfeited: peace.

Key Themes & Takeaways

Emotional Resilience & Mental Health

• Pain is inevitable, but misery is optional — misery comes from blame and shame.
• Emotional tuning is a learned skill built through experience, therapy, vulnerability, and faith.

Childhood Trauma & Healing

• Colby’s experience growing up with an addicted parent shaped his empathy and understanding of emotional patterns.
• Healing didn’t come from anger, but from seeing his mom as a human being with pain of her own.

Micro Adjustments in Life

• Skateboarding teaches life: micro adjustments lead to macro breakthroughs.
• Failure isn’t failure — it’s feedback.

Entrepreneurship & Purpose

• Thread began as a class project and grew out of a passion for design, action sports culture, and minimalism.
• Purpose-driven businesses evolve when their founders evolve.

Faith & Peace

• Prayer became the anchor that brought Colby clarity, emotional regulation, and peace—especially in moments of crisis.
• Peace emerges as the most authentic emotion.

Reconciliation & Redemption

• Colby’s mother eventually entered rehab, became sober, and they now create children’s stories together.
• Carry On Studio is now a platform for resilience-based storytelling for families worldwide.

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Colby Bauer:

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Threads: 

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This episode of Counterfeited Emotions features a powerful conversation between Curtis Morley and guest Jill Schulman, former Marine, leadership expert, and author of The Bravery Effect. Together, they explore how fear silently shapes our decisions, how bravery is built like a muscle, and why discomfort is essential for growth. Jill shares her personal journey—from struggling through Marine Corps training to skydiving on her book launch day—and illustrates the neuroscience, psychology, and practical strategies behind becoming braver.

Curtis and Jill also dive deep into counterfeit emotions, fear vs. excitement, the role of mindset, the science of stress, and why meaningful, noble goals are the foundation for true bravery (as opposed to bravado). The episode blends storytelling, research, and transformational tools listeners can apply immediately.

Key Themes & Takeaways

1. Fear Is Invisible but Universal

Fear often doesn’t show; even elite performers have deep personal fears. It’s unique to each individual and rooted in both evolutionary psychology and personal experience.

2. Bravery Requires Fear

There is no bravery without fear. Bravery = voluntary action in the presence of fear toward a noble goal.

3. Bravery vs. Bravado

Bravado is performative, ego-driven, and rooted in counterfeit emotions like control or image.
Bravery is grounded in meaning, service, and authenticity.

4. Meaningful Goals Must Serve Others

Noble goals are other-oriented. Self-serving motivations often lead to bravado, burnout, or emptiness.

5. Fear Can Be a Messenger

Fear can either keep us physically safe—or signal that something important and meaningful is on the other side.

6. Stress Isn’t the Enemy

Reframing stress as “enhancing” improves performance, health, and resilience. Stress about stress leads to illness; excitement about stress leads to growth.

7. Mindset Shapes Physiology

A single mindset shift (e.g., “I’m excited”) can measurably improve performance, heart health, and cognitive function.

8. Bravery Is Built Like a Muscle

You start small, push a little past your comfort zone, and increase the challenge over time.

9. Your Future Self Is a Guide

Asking “What does my future self want me to do?” helps break fear-based paralysis.

10. Growth Requires Discomfort

“Comfort and growth cannot coexist.” Discomfort, pain, and fear are the raw materials of transformation.

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In this deeply inspiring episode, Emotionologist Curtis Morley sits down with Jenn Drummond, an entrepreneur, mother of seven, and the first woman to climb the Seven Second Summits—the second-highest peaks on every continent, a task most mountaineers consider more difficult than summitting the Seven Summits, which are well-tracked and commonly navigated. Jenn shares how a near-fatal car accident awakened her to the reality that “someday” is not a day of the week. Determined to live with purpose, she set out to show her children—and herself—that anything is possible.

The conversation blends gripping mountaineering stories with emotional lessons about fear, resilience, courage, and identity. Jenn recounts the intense dangers of climbing K2, overcoming fear while crossing ladders on Everest, and learning to move forward even in moments of grief—like when she lost a teammate in an avalanche. Her reflections on curiosity, faith, and perseverance turn physical mountains into powerful metaphors for life’s challenges.

Life’s Not a Practice Run

• Jenn’s accident taught her to live intentionally—no more waiting for “someday.”
• Everyday is sacred. Everyday is a gift
• Every mountain (literal or metaphorical) is a chance to step into courage.

Fear Screams Loudest Before the First Step

• Crossing the Ladder on Everest
• Fear doesn’t disappear but it shrinks when we take the first steo and each following step.
• “You don’t need to be brave; you just need to move.”

Curiosity Is the Birthplace of Possibility

• “Curiosity is the birthplace of possibility.”
• Curiosity like mountain climbing continually takes us higher
• Approaching challenges with curiosity turns fear into growth.

Redefining Strength

• Courage is not the absence of fear but taking steps through it.
• True strength comes from emotional regulation, not avoidance. It is key to progress.

People Over Peaks

• When faced with tragedy, Jenn chose compassion and integrity over ambition.
• Legacy matters more than accomplishment.

Authentic vs. Counterfeit Emotions

• Authentic emotions connect and move us upward; counterfeit ones loop back to itself.
• Fear and control are at the root of counterfeit emotions.

Resilience Through Adversity

• Each summit taught perseverance, adaptability, and faith.
• Even failed climbs became lessons in purpose and humility.
• This life is about learning, moving, and doing.

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Who better to discuss stewardship and ownership with Emotionologist, Curtis Morley, than one of the industry’s leading estate planners? Listen in as David shares a life-changing experience he had with Gail Miller, former owner(steward) of the Utah Jazz. Curtis and David go deep on how the things we think we own end up owning us. The principles of stewardship tap into the truth that everything can be taken from us except for the core three, and therefore, everything in this life is a gift.  David gets deep on some critical truths about how to be a steward, regardless of the number we have in the bank.  Being a steward is a blessing and a responsibility of life, regardless of social status, amount of money, or any other factor. We can be stewards as young, broke college students, and also while owning a professional sports team.

Curtis and David also discuss another related Counterfeit Emotions Dyad - Abundance vs. Accumulation. Listen as David shares the swamp and the stream analogy and how to create a life of surrender to tap into the peace that is available to each of us. Curtis Dudley’s Castle. 

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The ChatGPT Announcement Just Opened Up More Counterfeits of Love.  In a world obsessed with instant pleasure, emotional numbness, and digital fantasy, this episode cuts through the noise to reveal the truth about love, intimacy, and connection. Emotionologist, Curtis J. Morley, bestselling author, and creator of Counterfeit Emotions, sits down with Dr. Chelom Leavitt, a renowned BYU researcher on mindfulness and healthy sexuality, to expose how our culture has confused lust for love — and how we can reclaim what’s real.

Discover why:

• ❤️ Love gives and receives, while lust takes. Learn how true connection is built on connection, curiosity, compassion, and mindfulness.
• 🧠 Mindfulness transforms relationships. Explore the neuroscience of desire, presence, and emotional intimacy.
• 💞 Intimacy is more than sex. Understand the seven pillars that form deep, authentic connection: emotional, intellectual, spiritual, physical, recreational, financial, and sexual.
• ⚖️ Marriage is a people-growing machine. Find out how conflict and vulnerability are the gateways to transformation, not signs of failure.
• ⚠️ ChatGPT has announced they are rolling out an AI erotica model that will increase hyper-stimulation that erods real connection. Hear what’s happening to our brains — and what we can do about it.

This raw and enlightening conversation will change the way you think about relationships, sex, and love itself. It’s not about “more passion.” It’s about more presence.

🎙️ Featured Topics & Keywords:
ChatGPT | OpenAI | SamAltman | AIethics |Mindfulness | AIsafety | Erotica | AIerotica | AgeGating | Healthy Sexuality | Love vs Lust | Porn Recovery | Authentic Connection | Marriage Advice | Relationship Healing | Intimacy | Emotional Intelligence | Faith & Relationships | Vulnerability | Conflict Resolution | Personal Growth | Neuroscience of Love | AI Erotica | Addiction Recovery | Christian Mindfulness | Healing Sexual Brokenness

ABOUT OUR GUEST:  DR CHELOM LEAVITT | Professor. Researcher. Writer.

Educator on intimacy, emotion, and connection. With a background in law, family relationships, and human development, I study how mindfulness, desire, and emotional safety shape our most meaningful relationships. I teach what I learn — through courses, articles, public speaking, and global research. She currently teach at Brigham Young University, where I focus on healthy sexuality in committed relationships and how mindfulness in sexual experiences can reduce shame, increase connection, and support emotional and physical well-being.

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