On this week’s episode of The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to the New Zealand Herald’s deputy political editor Derek Cheng.

While most press gallery journalists go to sleep dreaming of politics, Derek Cheng has another true love – climbing. Duncan first met him at a press gallery party, where he was barefoot, cooking up sausages on a barbecue, and since learning of the journalist’s intense passion for climbing, has been intrigued to find out more.

In this episode Derek talks about his climbing, a serious injury that brought him back home to New Zealand, and why Covid-19 was such a fascinating time to be in the belly of the beehive.

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