Brian and Murdock examine their differing attitudes towards the post-grunge rock of Scott Stapp and Mark Tremonti and dig through the tabloid headlines to figure out what happened in that hotel bar on Thanksgiving of 2005.

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Over the Edge CD sampler on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/p/1300684030

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/scott-stapp-and-311-brawl-100131/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/311_(band)

https://thepier.org/311-20th-anniversary-of-grassroots-album/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Stapp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Hanson_(music_executive)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-up_Records

Klosterman Creed piece: https://grantland.com/features/taking-concert-doubleheader-creed-nickelback-world-most-hated-bands/

https://www.mtv.com/news/cxi4cf/scott-stapp-in-car-accident-creed-tour-canceled

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=101228&page=1

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2003/04/28/some-creed-fans-are-singing-a-different-tune-after-concert/

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/creed-apologizes-for-bizarre-chicago-gig-72699/

https://311archive.com/performance-history/#2005

AP version of the story: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-creed-singer-in-hotel-fight/

https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=17022

scott stapp drunk poker – Video Search Results (yahoo.com)

Theo Von/Scott Stapp interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce4lSBWPoM

https://www.phillyvoice.com/pv-311-about-bar-fight-scott-stapp/

https://www.grunge.com/254884/how-scott-stapp-ended-up-completely-broke/

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